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Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #140 on: February 07, 2014, 11:14:17 pm »
There you go Chris...an answer.
However, the answer is wrong really. You try applying a sealer such as Lithofin Slate Seal or any other oil/spirit based sealer with a sponge!! It might be ok with water based, but not oil/spirit based. So, back to the drawing board. I am sure the original poster will have worked something out by now, after all, he has an answer for everything! ;D

Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #141 on: February 15, 2014, 11:41:34 pm »
So, do we have an answer yet? What should the correct method be? Come on Kevin, you started it.

Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #142 on: February 16, 2014, 12:19:31 am »
Well????

chris scott

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #143 on: February 16, 2014, 07:48:43 am »
Got to leave the man alone this week ..he is on holiday with his wife. It would be bad manners. I was bought up better than that!

We can start again when he returns ;D ;D
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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #144 on: February 16, 2014, 08:51:28 am »
Got to leave the man alone this week ..he is on holiday with his wife. It would be bad manners. I was bought up better than that!

We can start again when he returns ;D ;D
Leave HIM alone...Bad Manners?? Have you seen his rants to me on the other thread that Graeme started?
He was ranting away around midnight last night. If I was on holiday with my Mrs, the LAST person on my mind would be Kevin.
I hope it rains where ever he is. I have no idea what is wrong with him, he thinks he is the only person that can have any opinions??? Does he own this forum?

Lets face it, he started this thread weeks and weeks ago and never gave the answer that we were all waiting for, I posted that I applied a seal with a sponge, Tony said "Spot on"  Well he is wrong, how could a sealer, other than water based, be applied by sponge??
They are not as smart as they think they are Chris. :)

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #145 on: February 16, 2014, 09:05:32 am »
Got to leave the man alone this week ..he is on holiday with his wife. It would be bad manners. I was bought up better than that!

We can start again when he returns ;D ;D
Leave HIM alone...Bad Manners?? Have you seen his rants to me on the other thread that Graeme started?
He was ranting away around midnight last night. If I was on holiday with my Mrs, the LAST person on my mind would be Kevin.
I hope it rains where ever he is. I have no idea what is wrong with him, he thinks he is the only person that can have any opinions??? Does he own this forum?

Lets face it, he started this thread weeks and weeks ago and never gave the answer that we were all waiting for, I posted that I applied a seal with a sponge, Tony said "Spot on"  Well he is wrong, how could a sealer, other than water based, be applied by sponge??
They are not as smart as they think they are Chris. :)


I actually leave for the Airport to go on holiday in an hour!  I was bored last night!  Do you genuinely believe I would sit on holiday reading your bleating moronic posts trying to defend yourself and justify some of the stupid statements you have made on this forum ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #146 on: February 16, 2014, 10:42:40 am »
Got to leave the man alone this week ..he is on holiday with his wife. It would be bad manners. I was bought up better than that!

We can start again when he returns ;D ;D
Leave HIM alone...Bad Manners?? Have you seen his rants to me on the other thread that Graeme started?
He was ranting away around midnight last night. If I was on holiday with my Mrs, the LAST person on my mind would be Kevin.
I hope it rains where ever he is. I have no idea what is wrong with him, he thinks he is the only person that can have any opinions??? Does he own this forum?

Lets face it, he started this thread weeks and weeks ago and never gave the answer that we were all waiting for, I posted that I applied a seal with a sponge, Tony said "Spot on"  Well he is wrong, how could a sealer, other than water based, be applied by sponge??
They are not as smart as they think they are Chris. :)


I actually leave for the Airport to go on holiday in an hour!  I was bored last night!  Do you genuinely believe I would sit on holiday reading your bleating moronic posts trying to defend yourself and justify some of the stupid statements you have made on this forum ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Was that last message to yourself Kevin??
You seem to enjoy my "bleating and moronic posts, you stay up all night to read and reply to them"

Stupid Statements eh? Not half has stupid has your rants, grow up Kevin.

I hope you enjoy your holiday, you sound like you need it you bad tempered know-it-all.
Holiday in February eh? Must be cheap :D
Cant wait for you to return, I will miss your rudeness and aggression. 

The forum will be a much nicer place without you...BYE :-*

STILL NO ANSWER FROM HIM THOUGH ;D ;D ;D and he calls ME stupid :-\

Roger Oakley

Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #147 on: February 16, 2014, 07:56:57 pm »
Keeping out of this personal tiff, but I thought I answered the question asked a couple of weeks ago correctly?
or have I missed something?

Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #148 on: February 17, 2014, 08:47:46 am »
Keeping out of this personal tiff, but I thought I answered the question asked a couple of weeks ago correctly?
or have I missed something?
Ahhh, right, I will have a look for that, sorry Roger, I assume the answer was verified by The Almighty?

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #149 on: February 18, 2014, 09:44:39 am »
Right final shot at this,
Paving laid, (pre-sealed which should make no difference)  then grouted.
He didn't leave enough time for the medium used to lay the paving to dry, (Limestone wicking up moisture) then grouted so again not enough time for the grouting to cure before starting to seal the paving, plus with the over kill of applying coat upon coat of sealer the whole area is saturated and not drying. Also the temperatures to low to seal anyway, with it being a conservatory to cold maybe ?Also maybe not taking off any excess sealer (pooling) so all leading to a fail?

Even if this is not the right answer, tell us the bloody answer  ;D

Roger..
I found your answer, so, first of all...the REAL answer is the Tiler is not quiet the professional that "The Almighty" claims he is.

The Job was clearly rushed and the lack of knowledge didn't help.
HOWEVER, Chris's question is/was....How do you correctly apply sealer?

The temperature of the working area needs taking into consideration.

Adhesive dried (most modern adhesives are 'trafficable' after only 2 hours) fully cured 24 hours and then groutable.

Grouts, again, similar to adhesives in that they are cement based, I would suggest a further 24 hours before applying the sealer.

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Applying coat after coat of sealer, saturating the area and not allowing each coat to dry (Rogers words).

On a course in London which I did, they suggested flooding (saturating) the area and letting the sealer go into the stone, then wiping off the excess. I think the question is;

How are sealers properly applied?

I suggest water based sealers can be used as above and the excess removed with a sponge.

Now, oil/spirit based sealers will not behave in the same way using a sponge...so, what would you use Roger, (or anyone else who is still following this thread!!) to apply a spirit/Oil based seal?

You may remember I posted on here about using a sponge, Tony's reply was..."SPOT ON."
It later became apparent that (according to The Almighty) that was a joke! With jokes like that, it looks like Michael Mcintyres' career is safe!!

I think there are still some questions that need answering to avoid any costly mistakes.

Just for the record, has anyone ever done a Terracotta Job?
Cleaned the floor...let it dry.
Oil the floor using a sponge and Boiled Linseed Oil??? This is where the fun can begin. SOME sponges spontaneously combust...so, my advice is..get that sponge as far away from the job as possible, or you risk burning your customers house down :o

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #150 on: February 18, 2014, 10:15:31 am »
SOME sponges spontaneously combust...s

This is something us wood finishers are well used to.

Just stick the sponge in water when you are done.

Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #151 on: February 18, 2014, 11:06:55 am »
SOME sponges spontaneously combust...s

This is something us wood finishers are well used to.

Just stick the sponge in water when you are done.
That is what I do too. I just thought it was worth pointing out to others who may not know. :)

Floor_Tony

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #152 on: February 18, 2014, 12:11:50 pm »
Rob

All you have done is try to hijack the thread. It started out as just a bit of fun and a small competition before Xmas a little way of us giving to forum members as well as sponsoring it.

Yes I did say spot on it becomes a little boring after a while because when you have a bit of huff and puff on another thread you popped back to this one.

Kevin "the almighty" as you like to call him has given a lot of his free time to this forum and free advice to anyone over the phone and all under no obligation to buy anything.

And just FYI Kevin has gone away in february as he has just had cancer treatment if thats ok with you! or maybe you want to have a dig at that to perhaps it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you did have a sarcastic reply.

So what is it you would like Rob? Kevin to pull of the forum all together sponsership and all?
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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #153 on: February 18, 2014, 03:03:17 pm »
Rob

All you have done is try to hijack the thread. It started out as just a bit of fun and a small competition before Xmas a little way of us giving to forum members as well as sponsoring it.

Yes I did say spot on it becomes a little boring after a while because when you have a bit of huff and puff on another thread you popped back to this one.

Kevin "the almighty" as you like to call him has given a lot of his free time to this forum and free advice to anyone over the phone and all under no obligation to buy anything.

And just FYI Kevin has gone away in february as he has just had cancer treatment if thats ok with you! or maybe you want to have a dig at that to perhaps it wouldn't surprise me in the least if you did have a sarcastic reply.

So what is it you would like Rob? Kevin to pull of the forum all together sponsership and all?
I have opinions that Kevin does not like.
He also blasts others that also have an opinion.
Why is he so aggressive all the time?
Why does only HE have the answers?
He too could learn from others.
It may come as a surprise, HE DOES NOT KNOW IT ALL, although he thinks he does.

Have a look at his rants, see for yourself.

As for hijacking threads!!! Take another look!

...and no, I would not want Kevin to pull off the forum....I have said MANY times (selective reading) I respect his knowledge...that does not mean I have to like him. It is not only me that thinks he is a little over the top sometimes, it is just that I tell him and he doesn't like it does he?...he simply cannot handle anyone having a pop.
Even your replies are getting nasty...good teacher i suppose! If either of you had a sense of humour, you could see that I am winding Kevin up most of the time, sadly it would appear that he has had a sense of humour by-pass.

For the record, I am a donator to cancer charities, so I would like you to pass on my best wishes to Kevin for a speedy recovery.

It may be just easier for him/me/you/the forum if I just leave him to his rants...BUT...the deal is, he leaves my advice alone too and stops the aggressive answers to other peoples theories, ok?

Roger Oakley

Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #154 on: February 18, 2014, 06:03:55 pm »
Rob,

Here is the answer I gave in December last year
"Paving laid, (pre-sealed which should make no difference)  then grouted.
He didn't leave enough time for the medium used to lay the paving to dry, (Limestone wicking up moisture) then grouted so again not enough time for the grouting to cure before starting to seal the paving, plus with the over kill of applying coat upon coat of sealer the whole area is saturated and not drying. Also the temperatures to low to seal anyway, with it being a conservatory to cold maybe ?Also maybe not taking off any excess sealer (pooling) so all leading to a fail?"

So for me it was just to cold & damp to seal anyway.
Was the tiler good at his job? I don't know maybe just got caught out on this occasion not allowing for the lower temperatures etc.

Your quote Rob
"Now, this is where it gets interesting. Applying coat after coat of sealer, saturating the area and not allowing each coat to dry (Rogers words)."

Coat after coat when it is to damp & cold to seal anyway, as it is not going to cure is going to lead to a fail IMO

How I seal is with either a brush or have on occasions used a roller, but prefer using a brush for both solvent based or water based. Never used a sponge to seal, may try it this year though.
Cloth or sponge off the excess, seems to work for me.
We won't start sealing till the spring arrives, which should give you a fighting chance, dryer, warmer weather etc, as we only seal exterior paving anyway.

Re the spontaneously combust stuff, we also do a lot of wood finishing so some of our solvent based oils can do this, but we have a container with water in it, and put all used cloths in this.


Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #155 on: February 18, 2014, 06:23:04 pm »
Rob,

Here is the answer I gave in December last year
"Paving laid, (pre-sealed which should make no difference)  then grouted.
He didn't leave enough time for the medium used to lay the paving to dry, (Limestone wicking up moisture) then grouted so again not enough time for the grouting to cure before starting to seal the paving, plus with the over kill of applying coat upon coat of sealer the whole area is saturated and not drying. Also the temperatures to low to seal anyway, with it being a conservatory to cold maybe ?Also maybe not taking off any excess sealer (pooling) so all leading to a fail?"

So for me it was just to cold & damp to seal anyway.
Was the tiler good at his job? I don't know maybe just got caught out on this occasion not allowing for the lower temperatures etc.

Your quote Rob
"Now, this is where it gets interesting. Applying coat after coat of sealer, saturating the area and not allowing each coat to dry (Rogers words)."

Coat after coat when it is to damp & cold to seal anyway, as it is not going to cure is going to lead to a fail IMO

How I seal is with either a brush or have on occasions used a roller, but prefer using a brush for both solvent based or water based. Never used a sponge to seal, may try it this year though.
Cloth or sponge off the excess, seems to work for me.
We won't start sealing till the spring arrives, which should give you a fighting chance, dryer, warmer weather etc, as we only seal exterior paving anyway.

Re the spontaneously combust stuff, we also do a lot of wood finishing so some of our solvent based oils can do this, but we have a container with water in it, and put all used cloths in this.


Cheers Roger, that was the post I found.
Totally agree with the temperature related problems too, I think some of the seal manufacturers give guidelines to the temps and when to use the seal.

The point I am trying to get to is not the problem with THIS particular job, but, HOW the correct method of sealing is done. i.e. Is a sponge acceptable? Is a brush ok to use? Is there some hidden methods that others use that the rest of us don't know about?
I have been sealing floors for years and use all the above methods plus those little paint rollers too. Some methods create a foam and I am sure that foam is not good practice in the eyes of the manufacturer. So, although the answer to the original question has been answered (well done...what did you win?) The study continues with...What is the best way to seal a floor....Lets start with a oil/spirt based sealer....Is a sponge universally acceptable?

Having done the crawshaws course, they advise to seal calcium based floor with stone soap, again, I have taken this on board and seal Marble, Limestone and Travertine with stone soap and also encourage the client to clean with stone soap too. Stone Soap is relatively inexpensive, around £25 for 5ltrs from crawshaws (I have seen some on ebay at £80 plus P&P!!) 5ltrs will do a small county! I decant into 1ltr bottles and sell them to the customer when I have finished.

Sorry for going on so long but I hope that we can all learn something from this thread.

over to you.... 

Floor_Tony

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #156 on: February 18, 2014, 09:02:07 pm »
There you go again another little dig aye!
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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #157 on: February 19, 2014, 09:17:41 am »
There you go again another little dig aye!
Eh? Where? ???

Rob Hall

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #158 on: February 20, 2014, 11:24:43 am »
Come on Tony, do not accuse me of something and then go into hiding??? ???

Floor_Tony

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Re: Sealers - How Many Coats - Prize Question
« Reply #159 on: February 20, 2014, 12:38:24 pm »
"(I have seen some on ebay at £80 plus P&P!!)"
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