[Pro-Smart]

I had impingement in my shoulder, I went to physio for about six sessions, he made me realise the importance of stretching,

I have that at the mo and a lot clicking/popping, what did the physio do.

thanks

He took the bubble wrap out of his sweatshirt... 

[KS Cleaning]

I had impingement in my shoulder, I went to physio for about six sessions, he made me realise the importance of stretching,

I have that at the mo and a lot clicking/popping, what did the physio do.

thanks

He took the bubble wrap out of his sweatshirt...  

Ha Ha Ha, nice one
Smart by name, smart by nature

[Simon Mess]

Peeps I was being flippant, for those that feel Im maybe being a tad too flippant. I had to leave the Police due to a nasty little condition called Fibromyalgia.. ME x Extreme muscle pain... So I do know all about ongoing pain issues...

What the last 5 years taught me is , I have it, I can't get rid of it, I have to deal with it...

Taking the Pees is one of the ways to deal with it...

Working for myself, working around and with the condition AND reaching out to grab little chunks of cashes AWESOME..

Reaching with two hands... Good advice Ill try it.... lol lol

ME doesn't exist.

Ignorance is bliss

[PoleKing]

Peeps I was being flippant, for those that feel Im maybe being a tad too flippant. I had to leave the Police due to a nasty little condition called Fibromyalgia.. ME x Extreme muscle pain... So I do know all about ongoing pain issues...

What the last 5 years taught me is , I have it, I can't get rid of it, I have to deal with it...

Taking the Pees is one of the ways to deal with it...

Working for myself, working around and with the condition AND reaching out to grab little chunks of cashes AWESOME..

Reaching with two hands... Good advice Ill try it.... lol lol

ME doesn't exist.

Ignorance is bliss

I know some people who are plagued by ME.
I can only assume its a coincidence that they are all, and always have been, bone idle.

[Simon Mess]

Darren, if you know people who are plagued by ME, why would you say it doesn't exist?.

My wife suffers from ME, and I have known quite a few people over the years, including my cousin, who suffer from it too. My cousin was fanatical about keeping fit, especially swimming, but these days she cant stay on her feet for more than about half an hour. ME most certainly does exist, can be extremely debilitating, and can literally ruin peoples lives. The fact that there are still ignorant people out there who say it doesn't exist, that it is all in the mind, does not help in any way.

[PoleKing]

Darren, if you know people who are plagued by ME, why would you say it doesn't exist?.

My wife suffers from ME, and I have known quite a few people over the years, including my cousin, who suffer from it too. My cousin was fanatical about keeping fit, especially swimming, but these days she cant stay on her feet for more than about half an hour. ME most certainly does exist, can be extremely debilitating, and can literally ruin peoples lives. The fact that there are still ignorant people out there who say it doesn't exist, that it is all in the mind, does not help in any way.

My mistake.
Read plagued as 'plagued'
Loads of the 'sufferers' have tried to prove it exists over the years.
No-one has.
MS exists.
Cancer exists.
ME doesn't.
The only thing that will change my mind is if I catch it.

[Simon Mess]

So if your wife, partner, or someone else you are close to gets it, you will assume they are making up all the symptoms?. What for?, your sympathy?.

It wasn't that long ago that DNA didn't 'exist', thankfully now not only does it exist, we can use it to catch people who committed rape, murder, etc in the past.

MS was officially recognized as a disease in 1868, i'm assuming if you were around before then, you would claim the people suffering from it were just making it up too, seeing as it didn't exist.  

Like I said earlier, ignorance is bliss.

[wightsurf]

The World Health Organisation’s International Classification of Disease lists ME as a disorder of the nervous system, under Post-Viral Fatigue Syndrome (Block 93.3, ICD 10th revision, 2007).

[Pro-Smart]

WHO?! 

[PoleKing]

So if your wife, partner, or someone else you are close to gets it, you will assume they are making up all the symptoms?. What for?, your sympathy?.

It wasn't that long ago that DNA didn't 'exist', thankfully now not only does it exist, we can use it to catch people who committed rape, murder, etc in the past.

MS was officially recognized as a disease in 1868, i'm assuming if you were around before then, you would claim the people suffering from it were just making it up too, seeing as it didn't exist.  

Like I said earlier, ignorance is bliss.

My wife won't get it.
We're workers in my house.

ME only exists in countries where it can exist.
If there is no option but to get up and go to work, funny enough, people get up and go to work.
If there is the ME option, like in the UK people don't seem to be able to be 'cured' coincidence? I think not.

I do realise it would be nothing short if retribution if I did catch ME. Because I'm a non-believer.
But in my experience (and it is broader than you may think-though I won't elaborate) no-one who wanted to be 'cured' still 'has' it.
Plenty 'have it' and wallow in self pity, claiming their benefits and telling their sob stories to anyone who will listen don't seem to be able to get 'cured'
Same as <goes to cupboard and gets out fresh can of worms> depression.
Doesn't exist on countries where it's not an option.

Can you imagine in Africa-starving, malnourished, not eaten in days, barely able to stand up, desperate people with nothing to live for in absolute poverty.
Someone says 'if you walk one mile, there is a bowl of rice for you'
Their response would be, 'I can't, I've got ME'
And for that matter 'I can't, I'm too depressed.

Nope, me neither.
I am definitely not a believer.
Never have been.
Only will be if I catch it.

[SKWSimon]

So if your wife, partner, or someone else you are close to gets it, you will assume they are making up all the symptoms?. What for?, your sympathy?.

It wasn't that long ago that DNA didn't 'exist', thankfully now not only does it exist, we can use it to catch people who committed rape, murder, etc in the past.

MS was officially recognized as a disease in 1868, i'm assuming if you were around before then, you would claim the people suffering from it were just making it up too, seeing as it didn't exist.  

Like I said earlier, ignorance is bliss.

My wife won't get it.
We're workers in my house.

ME only exists in countries where it can exist.
If there is no option but to get up and go to work, funny enough, people get up and go to work.
If there is the ME option, like in the UK people don't seem to be able to be 'cured' coincidence? I think not.

I do realise it would be nothing short if retribution if I did catch ME. Because I'm a non-believer.
But in my experience (and it is broader than you may think-though I won't elaborate) no-one who wanted to be 'cured' still 'has' it.
Plenty 'have it' and wallow in self pity, claiming their benefits and telling their sob stories to anyone who will listen don't seem to be able to get 'cured'
Same as <goes to cupboard and gets out fresh can of worms> depression.
Doesn't exist on countries where it's not an option.

Can you imagine in Africa-starving, malnourished, not eaten in days, barely able to stand up, desperate people with nothing to live for in absolute poverty.
Someone says 'if you walk one mile, there is a bowl of rice for you'
Their response would be, 'I can't, I've got ME'
And for that matter 'I can't, I'm too depressed.

Nope, me neither.
I am definitely not a believer.
Never have been.
Only will be if I catch it.

With all due respect that is a completely ignorant attitude to have. I suffer from ME kind of symptoms, fortunately I can still work but it makes life difficult. Still trying to get to the bottom of it now. Is very frustrating, I ache all over, muscles feel very fatigued and wake up feeling like I haven't had any sleep. It's very debilitating and I wouldn' wish what I go through on anyone and I'm fortunate, some people are completely bed ridden. There's a possible link between hypothyroidism and conditions such as M.E, Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia, I suppose that doesn't exist either!

Social life and personal interests take a back seat for me because I feel so fatigued and all my energy that I do have goes into my work.

[PoleKing]

So if your wife, partner, or someone else you are close to gets it, you will assume they are making up all the symptoms?. What for?, your sympathy?.

It wasn't that long ago that DNA didn't 'exist', thankfully now not only does it exist, we can use it to catch people who committed rape, murder, etc in the past.

MS was officially recognized as a disease in 1868, i'm assuming if you were around before then, you would claim the people suffering from it were just making it up too, seeing as it didn't exist.  

Like I said earlier, ignorance is bliss.

My wife won't get it.
We're workers in my house.

ME only exists in countries where it can exist.
If there is no option but to get up and go to work, funny enough, people get up and go to work.
If there is the ME option, like in the UK people don't seem to be able to be 'cured' coincidence? I think not.

I do realise it would be nothing short if retribution if I did catch ME. Because I'm a non-believer.
But in my experience (and it is broader than you may think-though I won't elaborate) no-one who wanted to be 'cured' still 'has' it.
Plenty 'have it' and wallow in self pity, claiming their benefits and telling their sob stories to anyone who will listen don't seem to be able to get 'cured'
Same as <goes to cupboard and gets out fresh can of worms> depression.
Doesn't exist on countries where it's not an option.

Can you imagine in Africa-starving, malnourished, not eaten in days, barely able to stand up, desperate people with nothing to live for in absolute poverty.
Someone says 'if you walk one mile, there is a bowl of rice for you'
Their response would be, 'I can't, I've got ME'
And for that matter 'I can't, I'm too depressed.

Nope, me neither.
I am definitely not a believer.
Never have been.
Only will be if I catch it.

With all due respect that is a completely ignorant attitude to have. I suffer from ME kind of symptoms, fortunately I can still work but it makes life difficult. Still trying to get to the bottom of it now. Is very frustrating, I ache all over, muscles feel very fatigued and wake up feeling like I haven't had any sleep. It's very debilitating and I wouldn' wish what I go through on anyone and I'm fortunate, some people are completely bed ridden. There's a possible link between hypothyroidism and conditions such as M.E, Chronic Fatigue and Fibromyalgia, I suppose that doesn't exist either!
nope

Social life and personal interests take a back seat for me because I feel so fatigued and all my energy that I do have goes into my work.

Ido realise its ignorant but I stand by my argument.
It's a 'western' thing.
In countries where there isn't the option to not fend for yourself. It doesn't exist.
It exists here because society lets it.

[g.brookes]

Tell us dirty Darren, what sort of research have you done to support these 'western' arguments?

[Simon Mess]

So if your wife, partner, or someone else you are close to gets it, you will assume they are making up all the symptoms?. What for?, your sympathy?.

It wasn't that long ago that DNA didn't 'exist', thankfully now not only does it exist, we can use it to catch people who committed rape, murder, etc in the past.

MS was officially recognized as a disease in 1868, i'm assuming if you were around before then, you would claim the people suffering from it were just making it up too, seeing as it didn't exist.  

Like I said earlier, ignorance is bliss.

My wife won't get it.
We're workers in my house.

ME only exists in countries where it can exist.
If there is no option but to get up and go to work, funny enough, people get up and go to work.
If there is the ME option, like in the UK people don't seem to be able to be 'cured' coincidence? I think not.

I do realise it would be nothing short if retribution if I did catch ME. Because I'm a non-believer.
But in my experience (and it is broader than you may think-though I won't elaborate) no-one who wanted to be 'cured' still 'has' it.
Plenty 'have it' and wallow in self pity, claiming their benefits and telling their sob stories to anyone who will listen don't seem to be able to get 'cured'
Same as <goes to cupboard and gets out fresh can of worms> depression.
Doesn't exist on countries where it's not an option.

Can you imagine in Africa-starving, malnourished, not eaten in days, barely able to stand up, desperate people with nothing to live for in absolute poverty.
Someone says 'if you walk one mile, there is a bowl of rice for you'
Their response would be, 'I can't, I've got ME'
And for that matter 'I can't, I'm too depressed.

Nope, me neither.
I am definitely not a believer.
Never have been.
Only will be if I catch it.

So essentially what you are saying is that my wife chooses to have it, because she can?.

[SKWSimon]

http://www.theoneclickgroup.co.uk/documents/ME-CFS_docs/A%20TEST%20FOR%20CFS%20ME.pdf

For anyone who doesn't believe the illness exists have a read, you'll also find a link on there to a Scientific paper.

It also states that the illness has already been classified as a neurological disease by the World Health Organisation under ICD 10 G93.3. That's World not Western Organisation

[PoleKing]

GB-just my experience. We have family from South Africa. Research-none, it's just my opinion.

SM-you probably know as well as I that there are always anomalies to any argument.
I've never met you or your wife so wouldn't like to pass comment.

SKWS-I don't doubt that it has. WHO also classifies depression. And I'd imagine a myriad of other conditions/diseases/illnesses etc that create a need for pharm companies to create a sellable product.

This is only my opinion fellas. And it's just the internet, try not to worry.

[Simon Mess]

Darren it has maybe escaped your attention, but you already have passed comment on my wife and anyone else who suffers from this condition, namely that they are simply taking the p and there isn't actually anything wrong with them.

And I am not actually worried about what you are saying, just wondering what makes you think it is ok to spout stuff like this, causing grief, upset and offence to anyone who suffers from ME, or is close to someone who does, especially since it is abundantly clear you have not got a clue what you are talking about.

[PoleKing]

Darren it has maybe escaped your attention, but you already have passed comment on my wife and anyone else who suffers from this condition, namely that they are simply taking the p and there isn't actually anything wrong with them.

And I am not actually worried about what you are saying, just wondering what makes you think it is ok to spout stuff like this, causing grief, upset and offence to anyone who suffers from ME, or is close to someone who does, especially since it is abundantly clear you have not got a clue what you are talking about.

If you are getting griefed, upset or offended by anything written on a forum then you need to invest in some thicker skin.
ME is an excuse for dossers in my opinion.
Same as depression.
Man up and get out.
If the benefits stop you'll have no choice.
I only know a handful of people on this forum in real life and couldn't give a toss what all the benefits scrounging lot think of me.
They're all happy to take the benefits that my taxes pay for so they are in the same catagory as Osama bloomin' hook hand or whatever his name is.

Stop the benefits. It'll 'cure' most if 'em.