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heritagecleaning

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Old Axminster
« on: November 27, 2013, 04:52:42 pm »
I've been reading the old posts on this. Seems I should keep the psi down. I ususally use the wonderwand at 300psi so I was gong to knock this down to 200. Also more dry strokes necessary, very thorough pre vac and agitaton.

In terms of prespray, I have a little bit of everything to hand - Fusion 8, HD, SPM, M power, Multi pro, lots of old 'One Step'.

Any preferences from the knowledgeable cc's?

Many thanks


Owen

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Old Axminster
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2013, 04:57:49 pm »
If you are using a wonder wand you shouldnt need to drop your psi.

We regularly clean axinster and wilton carpets at 600psi using a wonder wand.

I feel the 3 jet wand doesnt really work until you get to around the 500psi mark.

A good 2 x 5.7" vac machine or more at 50ft of hose can do this without any worries.

As you rightly say a good pre-vac and pre conditioning will all help to speed up wand passes lowering residual moisture.

I have only used Multi Pro and One Step from your list choice ill depend on type of soiling however neither of these would be my current choice of product. Others may advise otherwise.

heritagecleaning

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Re: Old Axminster
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2013, 06:55:07 pm »
Interesting points Jamie. I've heard various views on the wonder wand and psi - when it first came on the market the advice was it was only effective with higher psi, but I believe this was then revised downwards

Could you just clarify-

Why will I not need to drop the psi?

Why do you feel the wand is not as effective at less than 500psi? Is this to do with the atomisation?

My machine has the standard 2 x 3 stage vacs, but I should be able to get away with 25 feet so it should pull hard :)


Owen

Jamie Pearson

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Re: Old Axminster
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2013, 07:27:41 pm »
Interesting points Jamie. I've heard various views on the wonder wand and psi - when it first came on the market the advice was it was only effective with higher psi, but I believe this was then revised downwards I havent personally heard that. Possibly to make it appeal to people with lower psi machines. Or to preserve the jet seals better. They run great at 1000psi on the CFR Cascade machines.

Could you just clarify-

Why will I not need to drop the psi? I dont feel it overwets even as high as 500psi

Why do you feel the wand is not as effective at less than 500psi? Is this to do with the atomisation? Not enough flow through the fibres

My machine has the standard 2 x 3 stage vacs, but I should be able to get away with 25 feet so it should pull hard :)


Owen

Simon Gerrard

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Re: Old Axminster
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2013, 07:49:39 pm »
You’re clearly concerned about shrinkage and quite rightly so.
 It all depends on how dirty and what the primary colours are and that and not the carpet type that are the deciding factors in choosing your pre-spray, because your job is first to get the carpet clean and second to do it without it shrinking. You want a pre-spray that will quickly and effectively loosen the soil, preferably with little or no agitation other than with a carpet brush and virtually no dwell time as that always the moisture to penetrate the backing. Powerburst is the best for this as it works practically on impact.
The backing fibres (the ones that shrink) tend to have relaxed a lot with age, you can tell that if you kick forwards on the carpet and see a bit of movement at the front of your foot. Newer carpets tend to be still very tense as that is how they are fitted.
Old carpets are worn and so the pile density and the wools ability to absorb moisture before it reaches the backing are considerably less than with a new carpet.
If the carpet is older and has some flexibility in it then when it is cleaned any moisture that reaches the backing will be taken up by the looser backing fibres before the carpet actually shrinks.
On a newer carpet the carpet is already tense and if moisture reaches the backing there is a greater risk of shrinkage because there is no slack to be taken up.
So in either case it all comes down to how well the carpet is fixed on all four sides and the strength of any seams, which you should check thoroughly regardless. You should not be able to lift the carpet off the gripperods, or lift any seam.

There are risks with any woven carpet, regardless of age, the trick is knowing how to manage them.

Well, you did ask?

Simon

heritagecleaning

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Re: Old Axminster
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2013, 07:40:16 am »
I did Simon, and thanks for taking time to answer so comprehensively.

Owen