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Spruce

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #300 on: December 09, 2013, 08:59:35 pm »
Most components manufactured by companies are done by outside companies. Especially is this so on the automotive front. Manufacturers don't want to spend millions on design and application only to have it copied for someone else. To safe guard secrets, many suppliers get components made by a variety of outside companies and assembled by another supplier, so the full process is never completed by one manufacturer.

Alex once said that the components to make up an SLX pole come from a variety of countries and factories.

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=125444.0

You would have to identify 6 different factories in 3 different countries - none of which advertise their services for these exact products.

Consider Bosch Automotive. Many years ago when ESP was in its infancy both BMW and Mercedes were designing similar product for greater stability control. These systems could only be manufactured by an outside electronics specialist company. BMW accused Bosch of cross fertilization with regard to the similar product Mercedes was being supplied. There was a major issue about it  until it died of its own accord, each side claiming victory.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

Spruce

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #301 on: December 09, 2013, 09:03:45 pm »
lololl  , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried  to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door  out of china

theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??

There's a difference between trying to enforce copyright in China and enforcing it in the UK.

This is the other issue. Japan also used to copy stuff years ago but slowly their manufacturing processes were brought into line. Its also not guaranteed that China will continue to be the manufacturing power house that it is today and may be forced into more ethical copyright practices to survive.
Success is 1% inspiration, 98% perspiration and 2% attention to detail!

The older I get, the better I was ;)

redstarwindowcleaners

  • Posts: 408
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #302 on: December 09, 2013, 09:04:36 pm »
Ask them
I'd imagine probably not , but who knows ??

Email him ,
Put your email up and I'll send you his

Thanks you have sent me it earlier just mailed him
Stand before my gates and be judged

tlwcs

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #303 on: December 09, 2013, 09:08:01 pm »
Me Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.

Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"

Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased  ???

What a laugh. :)

As hard as he tries, he never seems to come across well.
I also read his comments on Marks vid and wondered why he had made the comment, then I remembered…..

Stephen Fox

  • Posts: 471
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #304 on: December 09, 2013, 09:22:09 pm »
lololl  , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried  to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door  out of china

theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??

There's a difference between trying to enforce copyright in China and enforcing it in the UK.

Rossesava, at last someone with a bit of chutzpah.... Exactly.

wightsurf

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #305 on: December 09, 2013, 09:23:32 pm »
Personally I feel my China Classic is very strong .

Can your supplier do specials   
Ie smaller length sections to fit easier in small vans
Or are they stock sizes
This supplier only has limited amount of clamps ( I asked)
but will try if he can. Best email him

Stephen Fox

  • Posts: 471
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #306 on: December 09, 2013, 09:25:44 pm »
MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.

Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"

Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased  ???

What a laugh. :)

Really Jonny? Could say the same about yourself

Stephen Fox

  • Posts: 471
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #307 on: December 09, 2013, 09:30:45 pm »
Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

Not the dreaded Ivor Biggun at Wright Hassell and Co.? (£450 an hour)

I feel a musical coming on ... Curtain drops away to reveal a courtroom.

Regina v Windy Miller (aka Lord of the Rungs)

Ivor Biggun - (thumbs behind lapels, motheaten wig slightly askew) "And I put it to you Mr. Miller that you did with malice aforethought order from the shores of far Cathay to wit:-

1. (one) carbon fibre telescopic pole with the logo "Reach For The Sky" stamped over Mr. Fox's patented logo.

2. (two) Three (3) aforesaid clamps of fox-brown (ginger) colour.

And you so did this crime knowing that these items made up the "Basil Brush" as patented by my client?"

Defendant. - "I did (looks at Judge in morbid fear) yer honour! (wrings out cap like a piece of scrim) I'm bang to rights! I was put up to it by Mr. I. Konix and his compatriot Mr. A. Gardiner. I'm sorry; I'll pay what ever I owe, don't put me in jail, (rising panic) don't take my kids and send them up the chimney your worship!!!

Judge Mr. Justice Justin Time (donning black cap):-

"Mr. Miller; you have been found guilty of the heinous crime of pole plagiarism and you will be taken from this court to a place of execution where you will be prodded with fluffy cushions until you are tickled and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul!"

Everyone (except furtive Foxy): "Oh no! Not that! Please yer honour let him off! Go on!" (Turning into song ...)

Judge: "It's Miller! We will not let him go!"

Court: "No No No No No! Mamia Mia let him go!"

Miller: "Beelzebub's got a devil on the sideboooooaaaaard!"

Court: "Huh?"

Miller: "Sorry m'lud I'm a bit deaf and I can never understand the lyrics - listen - I believe in Milko! See?"

Clerk of Court: (Explaining) "I believe in Miracles M'lud."

Judge: "Ah I see! Oh all right I'll let you off!"

Miller and the Court: "I'm Free (to the tune of the classic popular rock song combo by The Who) da dadadada ... I'm Free! And I'm telling you to follow me! ...."

(Guitar Riff)

Furtive Fox: "But what about my damages? ?? ?"

Court falls silent and everyone looks aghast.

Judge: "Oh very well; I award you an SLX-18 but you have to pay your own costs!"

Furtive Fox: (Bursts into song) "Finally, it's happened to me ..." he dances and everyone starts dancing with him.

Curtain closes with everyone happy and cheerful, shaking hands and the strains of "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony ... " as a picture of Nelson Mandela (or is it Trevor McDonald) is projected onto the curtain.



Gold, not one of your best.... Disappointed :'(

AuRavelling79

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #308 on: December 09, 2013, 09:42:32 pm »
Would you like me to re-write you as the star?  ;D
It's a game of three halves!

Stephen Fox

  • Posts: 471
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #309 on: December 09, 2013, 09:44:14 pm »
Yes!! That would improve it some what! (In my eyes anyway)

kempy

  • Posts: 1442
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #310 on: December 09, 2013, 10:21:41 pm »
Wow
All I did was import a pole .
What drama

ben M

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #311 on: December 09, 2013, 10:23:32 pm »
Mr Fox, don't stock too many poles next year... ;D

http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=179522.0

Stephen Fox

  • Posts: 471
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #312 on: December 09, 2013, 10:37:47 pm »
Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!!  ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!!  :D ;)

Jonny 87

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #313 on: December 09, 2013, 10:38:49 pm »
MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.

Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"

Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased  ???

What a laugh. :)

Really Jonny? Could say the same about yourself

Care to elaborate?
Vision Technician / Visual Engineer /  Vision Enhancement Operative /...........................................................OnlyUseMeWFP AkA Jonny the Windy Wesher

PoleKing

  • Posts: 8974
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #314 on: December 09, 2013, 10:39:08 pm »
Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!!  ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!!  :D ;)

Thank you Steven.
I thought it could've been just coincidence but obviously I'd not taken into account your sheer power.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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ben M

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #315 on: December 09, 2013, 10:39:55 pm »
Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!!  ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!!  :D ;)
I know Stephen, was only joking  ;D

Stephen Fox

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #316 on: December 09, 2013, 10:40:34 pm »
MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.

Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"

Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased  ???

What a laugh. :)

Really Jonny? Could say the same about yourself

Care to elaborate?


Likewise...

Stephen Fox

  • Posts: 471
Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #317 on: December 09, 2013, 10:41:25 pm »
Ben, thankfully the window cleaning world is a lot bigger than CIU!!  ;D I think a lot on here need to thank us for the price drop in other companies poles, that wasn't happening before the Phoenix range!!!  :D ;)

Thank you Steven.
I thought it could've been just coincidence but obviously I'd not taken into account your sheer power.

 :)

kempy

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #318 on: December 09, 2013, 10:42:21 pm »
Yep , gardiners seem to drop there's when yours came out .
Shame that poles from 45ft are so so so DEAR

Clever Forum Name

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Re: buying poles straight out of china
« Reply #319 on: December 09, 2013, 10:43:53 pm »
Yep , gardiners seem to drop there's when yours came out .
Shame that poles from 45ft are so so so DEAR

Two days work for some people ;)