[Stephen Fox]

Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

[windiewasher]

Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

how are they counterfeits?
You buy poles from chinese factories,you don't own them and people have made poles for a few years now!
How does that give you the right to close people down?

[Jonny 87]

Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

Hmmmmmm.

Im going to take that with a pinch if salt.......actually a big heaped tablespoon.

 

[Pro-Smart]

Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

how are they counterfeits?
You buy poles from chinese factories,you don't own them and people have made poles for a few years now!
How does that give you the right to close people down?

If there is a patent on them then copies would be infringing that patent. I guess there isn't a patent because clamps have been going for yonks now. It would have to be a direct copy then that would be copyright infringement. It takes ages for legals to work as they have to prove loss of earnings as well as proving copyright infringement. Usually these are settled out-of-court....

[Pro-Smart]

OMG - I can't believe that I've been sucked into this thread.... 

[windiewasher]

Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

how are they counterfeits?
You buy poles from chinese factories,you don't own them and people have made poles for a few years now!
How does that give you the right to close people down?

If there is a patent on them then copies would be infringing that patent. I guess there isn't a patent because clamps have been going for yonks now. It would have to be a direct copy then that would be copyright infringement. It takes ages for legals to work as they have to prove loss of earnings as well as proving copyright infringement. Usually these are settled out-of-court....

exactly the only way they would be counterfeits if they used the facelift name on the pole.which I would doubt anyone doing that.
there must be atleast 10 different pole suppliers.

[kempy]

Think there is about 4x carbon fibre manufacturers .
I think where I got mine from , the company probably makes poles for UK companies using different specs /tolerances and dimensions

Who knows
Who cares ,
I've used my China Classics today with ease ,
Before the Classic China 45ft pole was discovered I could only dream of owning a 45ft full carbon fibre pole .

The 45ft buy is the MAIN reason I imported in terms of the great £££ savings and the vertical clamps .

[Jonny 87]

MR Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.

Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"

Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased  

What a laugh.

[windiewasher]

Me Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.

Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"

Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased 

What a laugh.

I missed that wish I had seen that m8.

[kevinc]

love the poles i have,to be fair stephen even if they are in breach of copyright i know where i can get new clamps now!??,what we have found is that those clamps used facing away from you or underneath whichever way you want to think of it is makes the pole so much quicker and more efficient-quicker than any pole i have ever used-this is down to the clamps,you don't have to look at them they are there all the time-not wobbling about falling all over the place or getting half clamped but just there every time

[wfp master]

Hes sh***** it. The chinese poles are taking over.

[Jonny 87]

Me Stephen fox has a habit of talking out his posterior on forums etc.

Just a few weeks ago I was watching one of mark munros YouTube videos "facelift v gardiner clamps one year later"

Stephen was in the comments section accusing mark of being biased 

What a laugh.

I missed that wish I had seen that m8.

It's still up on YouTube mate.

Look on mark munros videos, a little bit ago.

Stephen copped out by saying "I was only joking" lol

Not very good for public relations having an owner/associate of a company acting like a 5 year old.

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

lololl  , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried  to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door  out of china

theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??

[kevinc]

Hes sh***** it. The chinese poles are taking over.

nah,the suppliers are watching thats for sure,(hello all)this whole topic could be hot air and possibly amount to nothing,the whole point of the op was to highlight another option than the usual supplier here in the uk nothing more or less,you could be buying from the manufacturer in china ok not the same specs as in closed lenght and a few other things i can't be bothered to think about now but the quality will still be their regardless of whether its an overseas customer or for the home market-the quality will be the same regardless.i think the bubble is beginning to burst as new options open up for us the customers-its an intresting time for window cleaning at the moment,in many more ways than just poles,keep your eyes peeled guys

[redstarwindowcleaners]

Could it be magic soap is coming from eastern europe

[kempy]

Personally I feel my China Classic is very strong .

[redstarwindowcleaners]

Personally I feel my China Classic is very strong .

Can your supplier do specials   
Ie smaller length sections to fit easier in small vans
Or are they stock sizes

[kempy]

Ask them
I'd imagine probably not , but who knows ??

Email him ,
Put your email up and I'll send you his

[AuRavelling79]

Legal action basically. If we find anyone selling counterfeits we've got an expensive legal team to close it down with the offender paying our costs.

Not the dreaded Ivor Biggun at Wright Hassell and Co.? (£450 an hour)

I feel a musical coming on ... Curtain drops away to reveal a courtroom.

Regina v Windy Miller (aka Lord of the Rungs)

Ivor Biggun - (thumbs behind lapels, motheaten wig slightly askew) "And I put it to you Mr. Miller that you did with malice aforethought order from the shores of far Cathay to wit:-

1. (one) carbon fibre telescopic pole with the logo "Reach For The Sky" stamped over Mr. Fox's patented logo.

2. (two) Three (3) aforesaid clamps of fox-brown (ginger) colour.

And you so did this crime knowing that these items made up the "Basil Brush" as patented by my client?"

Defendant. - "I did (looks at Judge in morbid fear) yer honour! (wrings out cap like a piece of scrim) I'm bang to rights! I was put up to it by Mr. I. Konix and his compatriot Mr. A. Gardiner. I'm sorry; I'll pay what ever I owe, don't put me in jail, (rising panic) don't take my kids and send them up the chimney your worship!!!

Judge Mr. Justice Justin Time (donning black cap):-

"Mr. Miller; you have been found guilty of the heinous crime of pole plagiarism and you will be taken from this court to a place of execution where you will be prodded with fluffy cushions until you are tickled and may the Lord have mercy upon your soul!"

Everyone (except furtive Foxy): "Oh no! Not that! Please yer honour let him off! Go on!" (Turning into song ...)

Judge: "It's Miller! We will not let him go!"

Court: "No No No No No! Mamia Mia let him go!"

Miller: "Beelzebub's got a devil on the sideboooooaaaaard!"

Court: "Huh?"

Miller: "Sorry m'lud I'm a bit deaf and I can never understand the lyrics - listen - I believe in Milko! See?"

Clerk of Court: (Explaining) "I believe in Miracles M'lud."

Judge: "Ah I see! Oh all right I'll let you off!"

Miller and the Court: "I'm Free (to the tune of the classic popular rock song combo by The Who) da dadadada ... I'm Free! And I'm telling you to follow me! ...."

(Guitar Riff)

Furtive Fox: "But what about my damages? ?? ?"

Court falls silent and everyone looks aghast.

Judge: "Oh very well; I award you an SLX-18 but you have to pay your own costs!"

Furtive Fox: (Bursts into song) "Finally, it's happened to me ..." he dances and everyone starts dancing with him.

Curtain closes with everyone happy and cheerful, shaking hands and the strains of "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony ... " as a picture of Nelson Mandela (or is it Trevor McDonald) is projected onto the curtain.

[rosskesava]

lololl  , bmw who drop more money down the drain a day then your will ever have in your life tried  to take a company to court from china for copying its x5 thing after spending millions on pounds in court bmw was told to naff off and shown the door  out of china

theres no copy rights in china so tell me again about this legal team maybe you need to be talking to the top brass in bmw ??

There's a difference between trying to enforce copyright in China and enforcing it in the UK.