[Browns Associated cleaners]

whilst wfp ing today on a new customer he asked wat happens when its windy and the water is left on the windows? surely the ro water will attract this ?? i had no answer for him ............. any idea's

[ray l]

you,d need to check up on the literature,
 but me thinks there is a line or two about di water having a negative charge which will repell positive charged dirt particles

ray

[Sir Squeaky]

Well if it doesn't pick up dirt in the air, how can it pick up dirt off the glass! :
That's why it leaves spots.

[windows_chepstow]

i had no answer for him ............. any idea's

Yes,

Just say, 'You pay me to clean your windows.  I'll collect on Friday (or post me a cheque) when you've checked them.  I'll only take the money if you're completely happy with the standard of cleaning.

The next time, if you're in, you can pay me when I've finished.

I've XXX amount of customers, and they all can't just be giving me money for doing a shoddy job'

Or words to that effect.

[windows_chepstow]

Well if it doesn't pick up dirt in the air, how can it pick up dirt off the glass! :
That's why it leaves spots.

Don't listen to Roger,

His customers ask me for quotes!

[Sir Squeaky]

Well if it doesn't pick up dirt in the air, how can it pick up dirt off the glass! :
That's why it leaves spots.

Don't listen to Roger,

His customers ask me for quotes!

Can match them though can you?
You have to fund your ridiculous water habit.

Haven't got an answer to my question though....

[supernova77]

Squeaky you crack me up with your anti-WFP views.

I reckon within the next 2 years you would have changed over though.

 

[windows_chepstow]

Haven't got an answer to my question though....

Your question isn't clear.

It could be applied to the squeegie with equal ambiguity.

Squeeky said:

Well if it doesn't pick up dirt in the air, how can it pick up dirt off the glass!

To start with the WFP doesn't 'pick up' dirt.

It scrubs it from window-frames and windows, then rinses it all off; leaving the window spottlessly clean; if you do it correctly.

And why should it 'pick up dirt from the air'?

It's not a British Army Mark 6 respirator that protects you from Nerve Agent Gasses?  A WFP is to clean windows; not purify air.

To Southern Cleaning Services:

Squeaky you crack me up with your anti-WFP views.

I reckon within the next 2 years you would have changed over though.

Roger knows both the moderators here (Ian_Giles and myself) personally, and lives close to us both.

I'm sure he just does it to wind us up!

[Sir Squeaky]

Squeaky you crack me up with your anti-WFP views.

I reckon within the next 2 years you would have changed over though.

 

Chuckle!
I reckon in two years you'll find you're wrong.
I reckon in two years a lot will have gone back to proper cleaning too...

[supernova77]

I know he's only winding us up 

But I still reckon he would have made the switch within 2 years.

[supernova77]

I reckon in two years a lot will have gone back to proper cleaning too...

No way!

Don't get left behind squeaky... More and more window cleaners are going WFP now. All the ones I know swear they would never go back to fully trad again.

[Sir Squeaky]

And why should it 'pick up dirt from the air'?

Well everyone keeps saying that pure water attracts dirt.
I'm not wrong on that am I?

So, if it's left on the glass(as you do), then it will pick up dust and dirt from the air.
More-so than normal water too.
I can't see how you can say otherwise....

That's how you get spots.

[Sir Squeaky]

Don't get left behind squeaky... More and more window cleaners are going WFP now. All the ones I know swear they would never go back to fully trad again.

Left behind what exactly?
The fact that more and more w/c'ers are doing it means my profile is getting better and better.

I'm finding myself getting recommended by people all the time now, as a lot of people are looking for a "proper" w/c.
The rarer I become, the more in demand I get.
Shout me down if you like, but whether you want to admit it or not it's a fact.

I've just got a shop in the middle of another w/c'ers shops, as they were unhappy with wfp.
She said many others in the street want me too, but I know the w/c in question and won't do that.
He's a very good trad cleaner too.

But I could take most of the street if it was a stranger.

If I had a van I'd put on the side something like:

"Squeaky Clean
Traditional window cleaning
by hand"
"Done with care and pride"

...and you can't tell me that wouldn't attract people.

Rog.(who's said enough on this subject before!)

[supernova77]

I agree with you to a certain extent... But things change, people over time take a grasp of new technology. All of my customers are happy with me using WFP.

In fact today when I was canvassing an old guy was really happy when I told him I use WFP as his last window cleaner slipped on his tiled roof and hurt himself!

Give it 2 years... 

[windows_chepstow]

Squeeks (Roger),

Why was it two of your current (or ex) customers asked me for a quote then?

I use a WFP!

[supernova77]

LOL

[Morph]

So, if it's left on the glass(as you do), then it will pick up dust and dirt from the air.
More-so than normal water too.
I can't see how you can say otherwise....

That's how you get spots.

Don't waste your time on something you don't really know about, Squeaky.

If it is a windy day, in a dusty area, using wfp the wind will generally dry the residual water before dust is able to reach a saturation on the glass.  i have learned this from my experience.
If it is a windy day in a dusty area, the windows cleaned with a mop and squeegee, (unless you use just purified water and a few drops of glass gleam only), will definitely have more dust sticking to them soon after you have gone.
But your good customers won't say anything about it, anymore than my good customers and the few spots left by wfp occasionally.

...........NEXT......

[Moderator David@stives]

whats squeeky doing here i thought this was a wfp thread i have just read an old copy of window talk and they reported another death of a window cleaner.

A 24 year old Richard Burrage 19 sept 2004.

I would not like to take away anyones choice with ladders ,but for me there is no turning back.

In answer to the wind blowing on wet windows ,i reckon if it were that windy for it to be a problem ,the windows will blow dry in no time at all.

Dave

[Morph]

Do you know, when I was a kid we had radio, we didn't have a television for years.
I have vivid memories of coming home from school on a freezing winter day, sitting by the fire and listening to childrens hour, with a cup of cocoa.  My imagination was totally immersed in the programmes.  You just can't do that with TV.   But I rarely if ever sit down to listen to anything other than music on the radio anymore, even though it has a quality that TV hasn't got, who can be bothered.
That is one way things just gradually get replaced.

[neil100]

I think Squeeks has brain washed himself into beliveing that Wfp is not as good as Trad cleaning.

I had a customer last week who I went to ask how she wanted me to clean her Bungalow. I had cleaned it just the once wfp and because she had white alloy frames I thought the Wfp would not be up to the standerd I set for myself.

She said She was mad when I left last time because the windows were left wet, and she was expecting them to dry streaky. When she got up the next morning she was amazed at how clean they were.

In fact she said I dont want to cause you any offence but the glass as never been as clean. She wanted wfp.

TRUE, Nel.