[robert mitchell]

I dont have a fat pension and I didnt say we had everyones support .

I have already said several times that we will cross the picket line to save lives , you just ignore that completely.

Nobody wanted to strike , we have been forced into it .

As you know so much about me , what exactly do you think my view is ?

What do you know of what's happened in the years leading upto this ?

Do you think nobody should have the right to strike ?

Will you happy when all public services are privatised and cost twice as much for half the service ?

That is where all this is heading .

Also if you think its ok to steal from my pension to pay the national debt , how much have you contributed over and above the usual tax that everyone pays ?

You can donate towards it through hmrc .

Are you happy about an mp claiming nearly 5k a year from the taxpayer to pay his energy bills at his million pound SECOND home jusy because "thats the way it is " .

That single claim is more than my pension will be worth annually when I retire.

Its you that is bleating on with no real point to your argument .

[Dave Willis]

When the appliance turns up outside your house - will it be manned by a crew of 60 year olds or will there be one or two younger members who will wear breathing apparatus? Will the fire engine have a disabled sticker on the dash? Do all the current firemen who retire in their fifties actually stop working for the rest of their lives.

[C o z y]

Your still bleating. I live, and have lived in Germany after leaving the army in 1985. Having served the country for 9 years, I joined while the Ulster troubles were in full flow, and knew axactly what I was doing when I signed the dotted line mate. I served 3 tours there while the war was raging, and also had time in between to nip down to the Falklands in 82, where I knew exactly what I was getting into.

I get my pension when I'm 60, because as you know, I dont qualify until then because I only served 9 instead of 22 years. If that pension was hacked down, like it has been for the new guys in the army, I couldn't strike, because I was serving the country, as do police. You seem to see that differently, and see strike action as a tool to get what you want.

As Ive said already, your posts on this thread have turned my opinion round. I would've supported firemen before.
I don't claim to know you, or why you decided to join the fire brigade, and I don't really give a toss either way. If the majority of firemen feel and think like you, then I hope you lose your dispute.

Don't bleat please, I'm saying I hope you lose your dispute, not I hope you die, or get toasted, or get run over while trying to save Mrs Smith's moggy up a tree. Just your dispute about fat pensions.

I hope that's clear enough for you this time. If not, try re-reading what I just posted again. Once more, it's not good to bleat. It lowers your, and your colleagues standing, when you do that.

In this case, in my opinion, you should do what you signed to do, and take a knock. Lot's of others have had no choice, they just lost their jobs. If you want more, work more.

Thank God the Kraut fire service can't strike.

[robert mitchell]

When the appliance turns up outside your house - will it be manned by a crew of 60 year olds or will there be one or two younger members who will wear breathing apparatus? Will the fire engine have a disabled sticker on the dash? Do all the current firemen who retire in their fifties actually stop working for the rest of their lives.

There has been little or no recruitment in the last five years and that will continue for years to come as they cut it further.

So yes there is a good chance it will be a truck full .

[robert mitchell]

Your still bleating. I live, and have lived in Germany after leaving the army in 1985. Having served the country for 9 years, I joined while the Ulster troubles were in full flow, and knew axactly what I was doing when I signed the dotted line mate. I served 3 tours there while the war was raging, and also had time in between to nip down to the Falklands in 82, where I knew exactly what I was getting into.

I get my pension when I'm 60, because as you know, I dont qualify until then because I only served 9 instead of 22 years. If that pension was hacked down, like it has been for the new guys in the army, I couldn't strike, because I was serving the country, as do police. You seem to see that differently, and see strike action as a tool to get what you want.

As Ive said already, your posts on this thread have turned my opinion round. I would've supported firemen before.
I don't claim to know you, or why you decided to join the fire brigade, and I don't really give a toss either way. If the majority of firemen feel and think like you, then I hope you lose your dispute.

Don't bleat please, I'm saying I hope you lose your dispute, not I hope you die, or get toasted, or get run over while trying to save Mrs Smith's moggy up a tree. Just your dispute about fat pensions.

I hope that's clear enough for you this time. If not, try re-reading what I just posted again. Once more, it's not good to bleat. It lowers your, and your colleagues standing, when you do that.

In this case, in my opinion, you should do what you signed to do, and take a knock. Lot's of others have had no choice, they just lost their jobs. If you want more, work more.

Thank God the Kraut fire service can't strike.

So answer my questions then?

What do you know of what's happened in the years leading upto this ?

Do you think nobody should have the right to strike ?

Will you happy when all public services are privatised and cost twice as much for half the service ?

That is where all this is heading .

Also if you think its ok to steal from my pension to pay the national debt , how much have you contributed over and above the usual tax that everyone pays ?

You can donate towards it through hmrc .

Are you happy about an mp claiming nearly 5k a year from the taxpayer to pay his energy bills at his million pound SECOND home jusy because "thats the way it is " .

That single claim is more than my pension will be worth annually when I retire.

Firefighters signed on the dotted line and have kept up there side of the contract , the government have not .

You are not interested in an intelligent discussion , you ignore all the points made.

for the third time i dont have a fat pension , picket lines will be broken if there is danger to life .

My brothers have both served in the army in northern ireland, iraq , afghanistan and bosnia , seen and done some horrific things .

Im proud of them as i am all our soldiers , but it has nothing to do with our dispute .

so come on , should nobody be allowed to strike ever ?

no matter what the employer does?

[TheWindowManChris]

I would always support Fire Crews going on strike!   They do loads of stuff which is not just fire fighting.

In Scotland we are seeing more and more Stations get turned into Retained Stations.   To which my Brother-in-Law is a retained firefighter and which he does it as he wants to give the local area a good response rate and help the community.

[Frankybadboy]

. I'm out of this thread. All the best.

cozy you have a short memory or you been on that german water again

[deeege]

I would always support Fire Crews going on strike!   They do loads of stuff which is not just fire fighting.

In Scotland we are seeing more and more Stations get turned into Retained Stations.   To which my Brother-in-Law is a retained firefighter and which he does it as he wants to give the local area a good response rate and help the community.

So he works for free then?

[TheWindowManChris]

I would always support Fire Crews going on strike!   They do loads of stuff which is not just fire fighting.

In Scotland we are seeing more and more Stations get turned into Retained Stations.   To which my Brother-in-Law is a retained firefighter and which he does it as he wants to give the local area a good response rate and help the community.

So he works for free then?

I don't know I must admit however he does choose what hours he puts in and etc.

[deeege]

I would always support Fire Crews going on strike!   They do loads of stuff which is not just fire fighting.

In Scotland we are seeing more and more Stations get turned into Retained Stations.   To which my Brother-in-Law is a retained firefighter and which he does it as he wants to give the local area a good response rate and help the community.

So he works for free then?

I don't know I must admit however he does choose what hours he puts in and etc.

If he does it to help the community then he will be working for free. If he takes a wage (of course he does) then he works for the money like the rest of us do.

Don't make out that he is some kind of local superhero devoting his time fighting fires for free for the good of the community.

[landy2]

answer to some of your qestions

years before this strike - you had a big pay rise bigger than anyone else  true or false

you should only be able to strike if not in emergency services as you would put lifes at risk dont hear the ambulance drivers , army , police going on strike .

We have been in a reccesion everyone has been hit in the pocket cut have to be made we all except it ( except firemen ) wages have been frozen .

who do you think will be paying your pension  TAX PAYER AND WE CANT AFFORD IT .

[C o z y]

So answer my questions then?

What do you know of what's happened in the years leading upto this ?

Do you think nobody should have the right to strike ?

Will you happy when all public services are privatised and cost twice as much for half the service ?

That is where all this is heading .

Also if you think its ok to steal from my pension to pay the national debt , how much have you contributed over and above the usual tax that everyone pays ?

You can donate towards it through hmrc .

Are you happy about an mp claiming nearly 5k a year from the taxpayer to pay his energy bills at his million pound SECOND home jusy because "thats the way it is " .

That single claim is more than my pension will be worth annually when I retire.

Firefighters signed on the dotted line and have kept up there side of the contract , the government have not .

You are not interested in an intelligent discussion , you ignore all the points made.

for the third time i dont have a fat pension , picket lines will be broken if there is danger to life .

My brothers have both served in the army in northern ireland, iraq , afghanistan and bosnia , seen and done some horrific things .

Im proud of them as i am all our soldiers , but it has nothing to do with our dispute .

so come on , should nobody be allowed to strike ever ?

no matter what the employer does?

I'll try to remember to read this, as soon as I've finished watching some paint dry that I did earlier today. In the meantime, try to stop digging that hole you've started a few pages back eh?

[Stephen.C]

100% Behind the fireman. They are being shafted
Only those that bleat are convinced the fireman will nick all the work, easy target in my opinion
concentrate on your own business and stop worrying about other people.

[gary999]

why is that anyone who disagrees with the strike for whatever
reason is a bleater a hater or is jealous.

 i can quite easily take roberts point of view onboard even though
the way he has come across  has deterioated over the 13 pages
for no doubt various reasons and still disagree.

for me old granville gold made the most valid point of the whole
post pages back.

calling people haters bleaters etc is hardly going to get people
onside is it.

for me fireman have the right to protest..but at this time
there are more important issues..that is my point of view
im entitled to it...just as much as anyone who backs these
strikes are entitled to their opinion.

maybe its time to put this post to bed

[*Hector*]

Cozy... for someone oot of this thread... you ain't half gobby  

 

I too have had my views turned by someone who just didn't know when to stop typing, and was wound up by the original Pee take post of Geoff..

[gary999]

Cozy... for someone oot of this thread... you ain't half gobby  

 

I too have had my views turned by someone who just didn't know when to stop typing, and was wound up by the original Pee take post of Geoff..

a knew a bad penny would turn up eventually

[Don Kee]

100% Behind the fireman. They are being shafted
Only those that bleat are convinced the fireman will nick all the work, easy target in my opinion
concentrate on your own business and stop worrying about other people.

Disagree

Like ive said, im behind the firemen to a certain extent, but by striking they're looking for support so its a bit of a contradiction to say stop worrying about other people.
But striking is a form of drawing attention to a problem, so strikers in any profession want you to worry about them to draw support...
By doing this your going to get different opinions, thats life, so its a little silly to say the only reason people are 'hating' is because they're worried about them selves

[robert mitchell]

answer to some of your qestions

years before this strike - you had a big pay rise bigger than anyone else  true or false   last proper pay rise was 2002 and they were on awful money before that.- iwasnt in the service then.

you should only be able to strike if not in emergency services as you would put lifes at risk dont hear the ambulance drivers , army , police going on strike . the police were fighting for the right to strike , the army cant strike , ambulance service were threatening strikes over sick pay two months ago .

We have been in a reccesion everyone has been hit in the pocket cut have to be made we all except it ( except firemen ) wages have been frozen . except firemen? teachers, ambulance , post office , bus drivers and many many others have balloted or threatened to recently .

who do you think will be paying your pension  TAX PAYER AND WE CANT AFFORD IT . But we can afford hs2 , foreign aid , pointless wars , politicians/mps ridiculous expenses etc etc - the fire service cost each household around £50-£60 a year look at your council tax bill .

[robert mitchell]

So answer my questions then?

What do you know of what's happened in the years leading upto this ?

Do you think nobody should have the right to strike ?

Will you happy when all public services are privatised and cost twice as much for half the service ?

That is where all this is heading .

Also if you think its ok to steal from my pension to pay the national debt , how much have you contributed over and above the usual tax that everyone pays ?

You can donate towards it through hmrc .

Are you happy about an mp claiming nearly 5k a year from the taxpayer to pay his energy bills at his million pound SECOND home jusy because "thats the way it is " .

That single claim is more than my pension will be worth annually when I retire.

Firefighters signed on the dotted line and have kept up there side of the contract , the government have not .

You are not interested in an intelligent discussion , you ignore all the points made.

for the third time i dont have a fat pension , picket lines will be broken if there is danger to life .

My brothers have both served in the army in northern ireland, iraq , afghanistan and bosnia , seen and done some horrific things .

Im proud of them as i am all our soldiers , but it has nothing to do with our dispute .

so come on , should nobody be allowed to strike ever ?

no matter what the employer does?

I'll try to remember to read this, as soon as I've finished watching some paint dry that I did earlier today. In the meantime, try to stop digging that hole you've started a few pages back eh?

Intelligent comment - why are you still watching this thread if it doesnt interest you?

You wont answer of course.

[robert mitchell]

why is that anyone who disagrees with the strike for whatever
reason is a bleater a hater or is jealous.

 i can quite easily take roberts point of view onboard even though
the way he has come across  has deterioated over the 13 pages
for no doubt various reasons and still disagree.                      your right my responses did deteriorate , and i shouldnt let the childish comments that were made drag me down to the same level .

for me old granville gold made the most valid point of the whole
post pages back.

calling people haters bleaters etc is hardly going to get people  
onside is it. It was cosy that used the word bleaters , directed at me originally.

for me fireman have the right to protest..but at this time
there are more important issues..that is my point of view
im entitled to it...just as much as anyone who backs these
strikes are entitled to their opinion.

maybe its time to put this post to bed