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Halfadaylee

  • Posts: 625
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #200 on: November 02, 2013, 08:56:57 pm »
i disagree , i think the public do care about the fire service, police, nhs etc being cut back .

How much do you think the fire brigade costs you?


Most of my friends work in private sector jobs and are on more money than me and get pay rises every year .

my old job was private sector and had a better pension than the one i have in the fire service.

Who of your friends gets or has had a pay rise every year, what do they do?

david washbrook

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #201 on: November 02, 2013, 09:00:15 pm »
Would a member of the public prefer a 60 year old or a fitter younger person coming to their rescue if you only knew how physically hard it is at a real incident, where you have people screaming at you, people shouting for help, and all the kit to drag around then you would realise that's its ludriclus to ask a 60 year to do this.
As for getting another job at 55 why should they if they have paid higher rates to a pension for this privalage then they deserve it,

AuRavelling79

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #202 on: November 02, 2013, 09:02:19 pm »
the fps scheme contributions are now about 14% just over .

A teacher on the same salary , just over 7%

A nusrse on the closest pay scale to ours , just under 7%

The average employee contribution in private sector defined benefit schemes was 5% in 2011 .



So the FPS contribution is just over 14% eh? So are you in the £60,000 - £100,000 pensionable pay bracket? (14.1%)
It's a game of three halves!

david washbrook

  • Posts: 924
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #203 on: November 02, 2013, 09:04:38 pm »
If you paid nealrly double your mortgage contributions every month in order to finish it early but the mortgage company changed their minds and made you carry on for a further 5 years then I'm pretty sure you'd be peed off about it

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #204 on: November 02, 2013, 09:10:03 pm »
the fps scheme contributions are now about 14% just over .

A teacher on the same salary , just over 7%

A nusrse on the closest pay scale to ours , just under 7%

The average employee contribution in private sector defined benefit schemes was 5% in 2011 .




So the FPS contribution is just over 14% eh? So are you in the £60,000 - £100,000 pensionable pay bracket? (14.1%)


No , the pay is £28766

Where do you get the 60000 - 100000 pay bracket?
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The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #205 on: November 02, 2013, 09:12:28 pm »
i disagree , i think the public do care about the fire service, police, nhs etc being cut back .

How much do you think the fire brigade costs you?


Most of my friends work in private sector jobs and are on more money than me and get pay rises every year .

my old job was private sector and had a better pension than the one i have in the fire service.





Who of your friends gets or has had a pay rise every year, what do they do?
one example - Bus driver for uni link (run by go ahead ) pay rises every year of 2-2.5% . two of my friends work here .
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The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #206 on: November 02, 2013, 09:14:15 pm »
another example -

southwest trains - four year deal £1000 a year rise and hours cut from 37-35 a week.

Two years into this deal so far.

four of my friends work here.

We are not asking for a pay rise.
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

deeege

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #207 on: November 02, 2013, 09:21:37 pm »
another example -

southwest trains - four year deal £1000 a year rise and hours cut from 37-35 a week.

Two years into this deal so far.

four of my friends work here.

We are not asking for a pay rise.

Would you please stop comparing your pay / conditions to the conditions of a train driver. By your own standards if they have it so good, why don't you apply?
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

AuRavelling79

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #208 on: November 02, 2013, 09:21:54 pm »
On line in the FPS scheme it says

14.1% is for the 60-100k earners

It's a game of three halves!

Dave Mills

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #209 on: November 02, 2013, 09:22:15 pm »
Not sure youre right about having the support of too many people in your dispute having read thisthread.

deeege

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #210 on: November 02, 2013, 09:25:37 pm »
Not sure youre right about having the support of too many people in your dispute having read thisthread.

I'll be honest, the firefighters HAD my full support until recently but the unionists like Robert, with their unbelievable sense of entitlement, have very quickly changed that.
"....and it's lend me ten pounds, I'll buy you a drink, and mother wake me early in the morning."

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #211 on: November 02, 2013, 09:26:57 pm »
On line in the FPS scheme it says

14.1% is for the 60-100k earners



ok 13%

just over 14% is what they are proposing to put it up to  .
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

Halfadaylee

  • Posts: 625
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #212 on: November 02, 2013, 09:27:39 pm »
another example -

southwest trains - four year deal £1000 a year rise and hours cut from 37-35 a week.

Two years into this deal so far.

four of my friends work here.

We are not asking for a pay rise.

I know your not. I was questioning the pay rise every year friends.
I'm not sure, but have not asked, that any of my friends have had a pay rise in the last 2 or 3 years. What I'm certain of though is that they are having to work more hours for the same salary just to keep their jobs. Companies and bosses tend to threaten this in times of recession.
If these guys had had yearly pay rises, then perhaps we are all in the wrong profession.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #213 on: November 02, 2013, 09:32:35 pm »
Not sure youre right about having the support of too many people in your dispute having read thisthread.


there is a dis proportionate amount of haters on this forum compared to other places online and in real life.


Im not a "unionist" but i do believe in standing up for myself against bullies and thieves etc which is what the government are.

They are still pushing through a 11% pay rise for themselves, all in it together?
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The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

AuRavelling79

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #214 on: November 02, 2013, 09:33:54 pm »
On line in the FPS scheme it says

14.1% is for the 60-100k earners



ok 13%

just over 14% is what they are proposing to put it up to  .

12.9% at 28K - plus tax relief too, contracted out - reduced nic and 26.5% paid in by your employer. Final Salary. Sweet.
It's a game of three halves!

Dave Willis

Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #215 on: November 02, 2013, 09:39:55 pm »
Not sure youre right about having the support of too many people in your dispute having read thisthread.


there is a dis proportionate amount of haters on this forum compared to other places online and in real life.


Im not a "unionist" but i do believe in standing up for myself against bullies and thieves etc which is what the government are.

They are still pushing through a 11% pay rise for themselves, all in it together?


If you were Taxi driving for a second income and this was a Taxi Drivers forum do you think you'd be the most popular person on the forum and they'd all support your cause?

AuRavelling79

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #216 on: November 02, 2013, 09:45:17 pm »
Sorry Robert, I have no hatred for the fire service. But you aren't exactly preaching to the choir here are you? You might only have one leg but here in the land of the legless you are king.

In the world of self employment I have no cushion of a job that is so attractive it has 150 after every vacancy in the UK and which offers a pension beyond the grasp of the majority of this forum. No final salary pension schemes here. No sick pay, no paid holidays either. I believe more die in falls while cleaning windows from ladders than do on active fire fighting service.

If you retire at the low end of your scale (30k) you will get 20K a year on a 40/60 pension plus at age 65/66/67 state pension too.

The vast majority on this forum won't have anything like that as a cushion.

Then on top of that comes your window cleaning earnings.

How on earth do you expect folk on here to offer much sympathy?
It's a game of three halves!

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #217 on: November 02, 2013, 09:48:44 pm »
another example -

southwest trains - four year deal £1000 a year rise and hours cut from 37-35 a week.

Two years into this deal so far.

four of my friends work here.

We are not asking for a pay rise.

Would you please stop comparing your pay / conditions to the conditions of a train driver. By your own standards if they have it so good, why don't you apply?

Read the other posts , i was asked a question and i answered it.
www.ishinewindowcleaning.co.uk

The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

robert mitchell

  • Posts: 1994
Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #218 on: November 02, 2013, 09:56:30 pm »
Sorry Robert, I have no hatred for the fire service. But you aren't exactly preaching to the choir here are you? You might only have one leg but here in the land of the legless you are king.

In the world of self employment I have no cushion of a job that is so attractive it has 150 after every vacancy in the UK and which offers a pension beyond the grasp of the majority of this forum. No final salary pension schemes here. No sick pay, no paid holidays either. I believe more die in falls while cleaning windows from ladders than do on active fire fighting service.

If you retire at the low end of your scale (30k) you will get 20K a year on a 40/60 pension plus at age 65/66/67 state pension too.

The vast majority on this forum won't have anything like that as a cushion.

.

Then on top of that comes your window cleaning earnings.

How on earth do you expect folk on here to offer much sympathy?
To get that you would have to start in the service on or before your 20th birthday and make it to 60 , very very few will make 60 on active service.

The ratio of employers to employees contributions is lower than many other jobs , my old private sector pension was 3-1 for instance.

Anybody on this forum could have applied for the fire service but chose to go self employed for the flexibility and the higher h hourly rate you can earn.

I have not asked for sympathy and i didnt start this thread .

What did you earn after expenses last year ?

Everybody on here seems to earn 50-60 k a year , why not put some in a pension or a second property .

Every body makes there own choices .

If nobody ever fought these things we would all still be getting paid a pittance and treated like slaves .
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The man who never made a mistake never made anything.

gary999

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Re: More time for firemen to clean windows, directive.
« Reply #219 on: November 02, 2013, 10:58:04 pm »
the really sad thing is any contributions made to pensions now
subsidise the pensions of the people who are retired now..yours
mine etc will rely on the tax payer of the future

20 odd years from now i cant see any public sector workers
getting decent pensions anyway.witha growing elderly population

promises now or ten years ago or whenever will be ultimately
irrelevent.

do you have a option to opt out of this scheme and pay into
a private pension?