[robert mitchell]

i say one thing if you dont like the conditions get another job  , but you wont because you know you have a good thing

This quote makes no sense .

I have no problem with the conditions i signed up to , unfortunately the government thinks its ok to steal from our pensions to pay for the greedy bankers and inept politicians mistakes .

What there doing is no different to what rupert murdoch did , its theft plain and simple.

Its not realistic for firefighters to continue on frontline service in there late fifties , this has been proved by the governments own research .

maybe read the whole thread before you post.

[robert mitchell]

The fire service got a three year pay deal about eleven years ago , they were on dire wages back then.


Just out of interest , the 2002 strikes came about after the government had a job appraisal done by an independent body and it came back that due to range of work and responsibilities they should be on 30k a year , that was the governments report - not the union .

Most firefighters that were in then will agree that the 2002 strikes were a mistake and they ended up worse off.

[AuRavelling79]

So if you leave a job with a pension at 55 or 60 why can't you get another job? Why should self employed taxpayers keep you another 10-12 years until you reach the state pension age? If you take a commuted pension you can work part time or be a windy! Oh you do that already ...

[landy2]

whats the diffrence between you and anyone else that have to retire at 65 , i think you had the pay rise before nine 11 years ago because i remember a firman giving me his round and he said dont need to do window cleaning anymore as had a big rise

[landy2]

you make me laugh you say you dont want to work till your 65 yet soilders have no choice and why do you strike near bonfire night if you all care about the public , fireman walked of a fire yesterday didnt they even your boss said it was unbelivable , you wont be getting any support of the public they are feeling it so should the firemen ,  millions on the dole looking for a job , firemens jobs have always been kept in house

[david washbrook]

The fire service allows you to have a second job as it relies on many using the fire service as their second job , for example I have been a retained fire fighter for 24 years but I have just been forced to finish due to a bad hand. During that time I have been in the picket line, I have had to sign a disclaimer opting out of the working time directive as my previous job was working 48hrs p/week.

I fully understand why the union is having to take these actions and I fully support them, and I'm sure if those of you who are mocking the situation actually knew the whole truth and facts about the situation then I feel very confident you would change your tune.

So Rob and anyone else who is in this battle keep going don't give into the robbing scumbags. I'd love to see any of them running into a burning building with all a B.A set on their back and dragging a 45mm fully charged hose in tempretures of 1000 degrees at the age of 60 it would be suicide

[robert mitchell]

So if you leave a job with a pension at 55 or 60 why can't you get another job? Why should self employed taxpayers keep you another 10-12 years until you reach the state pension age? If you take a commuted pension you can work part time or be a windy! Oh you do that already ...

I have no problem with that as long as they halve my pension contributions so they are in line with the average rather than  double the average.

What exactly are your objections to me working as a window cleaner in my own time?

[robert mitchell]

The fire service allows you to have a second job as it relies on many using the fire service as their second job , for example I have been a retained fire fighter for 24 years but I have just been forced to finish due to a bad hand. During that time I have been in the picket line, I have had to sign a disclaimer opting out of the working time directive as my previous job was working 48hrs p/week.

I fully understand why the union is having to take these actions and I fully support them, and I'm sure if those of you who are mocking the situation actually knew the whole truth and facts about the situation then I feel very confident you would change your tune.

So Rob and anyone else who is in this battle keep going don't give into the robbing scumbags. I'd love to see any of them running into a burning building with all a B.A set on their back and dragging a 45mm fully charged hose in tempretures of 1000 degrees at the age of 60 it would be suicide

Well said and thanks for your support , even though most of the retained are in a different union the support from them  , in my area at least , has been really good .

[landy2]

let me get this right correct me if i am wrong  your pension it is a goverment pension same as teachers , army , council workers   

[david washbrook]

Rob just for your information I have been a fbu member for 24 years all of my station are fbu members and the majority of my brigade are fbu members as the RFU are a waste of time

[robert mitchell]

you make me laugh you say you dont want to work till your 65 yet soilders have no choice and why do you strike near bonfire night if you all care about the public , fireman walked of a fire yesterday didnt they even your boss said it was unbelivable , you wont be getting any support of the public they are feeling it so should the firemen ,  millions on the dole looking for a job , firemens jobs have always been kept in house

I hardly know where to start with your rambling post.

soldiers dont work until 65 or even 60 , they retire from frontline service at 45 and get part of there pension straight away and this then goes up to there full pension at 60 depending on time served- get your facts straight before posting.

What do you mean by jobs kept in house???

I applied by downloading a form from there website , and didnt know anybody in the job.

As for the dagenham fire , crews left the scene once there was no longer a life risk , as agreed with the government.

It was not whats called a "major incident "  and we stuck by our agreement regarding life risk/major incident recall .

If you want to read two pages of a4 i can post all the facts up for you.

[robert mitchell]

David , down here most of the retained are rfu but have still supported us .

Your right about the rfu.
I think the rfu should merge into the fbu.

[robert mitchell]

let me get this right correct me if i am wrong  your pension it is a goverment pension same as teachers , army , council workers   

yes , whats your point?

[LWC]

I'd love to see any of them running into a burning building with all a B.A set on their back and dragging a 45mm fully charged hose in tempretures of 1000 degrees at the age of 60 it would be suicide

Id love to see some of the peeps on here running out a 70mm hose mate, let alone wear BA and go into a burning building lol. 

[robert mitchell]

I'd love to see any of them running into a burning building with all a B.A set on their back and dragging a 45mm fully charged hose in tempretures of 1000 degrees at the age of 60 it would be suicide

Id love to see some of the peeps on here running out a 70mm hose mate, let alone wear BA and go into a burning building lol. 

Maybe we should set up a" hose tuesday" drill for them , only 55-60 years olds allowed though!

[LWC]

Id challenge the younger ones to this mate, lol. See how many lengths they can run out and make up before saying "stuff this" 

[landy2]

my point is why should a say flagger for the council have to work till he is 65 and a fireman doesnt , ok my point of view is yes maybe you cant be a fireman but why cant you get another job after getting too old to be a fireman , everyone else who not able to do there job gets a diffrent job , or should everyone who not able to orriganal job be paid of and retire .

[robert mitchell]

my point is why should a say flagger for the council have to work till he is 65 and a fireman doesnt , ok my point of view is yes maybe you cant be a fireman but why cant you get another job after getting too old to be a fireman , everyone else who not able to do there job gets a diffrent job , or should everyone who not able to orriganal job be paid of and retire .

Read the posts , we pay double the average contributions , it has always been that way to pay for retiring at 55.

On the one hand you say millions of unemployed ,nobody can get jobs but you think a 55 year old with no useful qualifications will get a job at the snap of there fingers?

[AuRavelling79]

The "flagger" on the council at 65 year old will still be paying his contributions ten years after you've retired?

And why can't you get a job at ASDA, B and Q or increase your windie work?

What % contribution do you pay?

[robert mitchell]

the fps scheme contributions are now about 14% just over .

A teacher on the same salary , just over 7%

A nusrse on the closest pay scale to ours , just under 7%

The average employee contribution in private sector defined benefit schemes was 5% in 2011 .