[gary999]

so jealousy and hatred eh! hardly good reasoned arguments

i personally have no problem with people in the fire service
fighting for what they believe in..but i can see why people
get irritated by some of the statements above.

if times were good and you were geting hit hard you would
get more sympathy

but things are crap and it always seems public sector works
of all kinds of ilk seem to do the most whingeing over what was
and what it should be

not everyone can down tools especially in private sector
the majority are too busy fighting to keep their heads above water
now, never mind in the future.please dont say you are  representing
us all in this protest because things really arent like that are they!

like i said before i have been ripped off myself in pension plans
with millions of others...sometimes in life you just have to crack on
untill things get better..then address some of these issues

when things recover i guarantee people will have more sympathy
for your cause..but defo not at the moment when there are bigger
issues to solve than public sector/service workers pensions


anyways if things get really bad you have always got window cleaning
to get you through until you retire

[niceandclean]

The only answer is to privatise everything!! 

[robert mitchell]

I spent a few years driving buses (hated it but it paid the bills) , thats private sector and they have been stitched over and over , and they ballot pretty much every other year for strike action .

They have had pay rises every year during the economic downturn we are having (still have friends who work there), public sector had none for three years until we got 1% last year .

The pension i have from from that job is better than my fire service pension .

I have friends who drive trains and do 35 hours a week for 46000 a year salary and a good pension  because they fight for it and have a strong union - private sector .

There are many private sector jobs that earn more than us and have better pensions and perks.

of course we could privatise everything so the tax payer doesnt have to pay for any of it.

Like the power companies - bills rising all the time , usually just before winter and they make massive profits.

The buses , now run privately and the service and state of vehicles etc is awful and tax payers still end up paying to run the non profitable routes because the bus companies cut them otherwise - they also make massive profits.

It wasnt me that said people are jealous , no reason to be as everyone has the same chance to join up if they want.

People moan about teachers , i know i couldnt do that job so i dont moan about whatever perks people think they have .

I also never said i was "representing us all"

I said as a country we should have more solidarity against our corrupt governments , labour , tories who ever they are all pigs feeding at a trough of our public money and dont even seem to be embarrassed about it.

[Panorama]

But I thought the thread was in jest , I'm only joining in the joke, or doesn't it work like that

[Panorama]

Nice and clean, the government are trying to privitise the brigade I work for, last month we had torrential rainfall in one day resulting in 220 calls in which we rescued 20 people , if it gets privatised like the government want, you will have to pay for this as we don't get funding for flooding incidents

[gary999]

I spent a few years driving buses (hated it but it paid the bills) , thats private sector and they have been stitched over and over , and they ballot pretty much every other year for strike action .

They have had pay rises every year during the economic downturn we are having (still have friends who work there), public sector had none for three years until we got 1% last year .

The pension i have from from that job is better than my fire service pension .

I have friends who drive trains and do 35 hours a week for 46000 a year salary and a good pension  because they fight for it and have a strong union - private sector .

There are many private sector jobs that earn more than us and have better pensions and perks.

of course we could privatise everything so the tax payer doesnt have to pay for any of it.

Like the power companies - bills rising all the time , usually just before winter and they make massive profits.

The buses , now run privately and the service and state of vehicles etc is awful and tax payers still end up paying to run the non profitable routes because the bus companies cut them otherwise - they also make massive profits.

It wasnt me that said people are jealous , no reason to be as everyone has the same chance to join up if they want.

People moan about teachers , i know i couldnt do that job so i dont moan about whatever perks people think they have .

I also never said i was "representing us all"

I said as a country we should have more solidarity against our corrupt governments , labour , tories who ever they are all pigs feeding at a trough of our public money and dont even seem to be embarrassed about it.

actually i never said you were representing the the rest of us..i asked you not
to say you would be

jealousy reference wasnt aimed at yourself

maybe you should stop whingeing about the fire service pensions
and move to one of the other careers you mentioned you would be better
off and you do have the freedom of choice to do something else ...just
joking

here in birmingham we have a fantastic bus service

like i said before i have nothing against the fire service and i wish you
luck,personally i think that striking about anything that goes against
the public interest at this time is a bad move and support will be split
at best

thankyou for an interesting discussion

[Geoff]

Nice and clean, the government are trying to privitise the brigade I work for, last month we had torrential rainfall in one day resulting in 220 calls in which we rescued 20 people , if it gets privatised like the government want, you will have to pay for this as we don't get funding for flooding incidents

I have to say that if we have a fire here, then do please turn out, but if it's flooding, then please stay away, as I think we will be able to manage, thank you.

I don't have a cat, so there's nothing to get stuck up a tree, and there are no railings around here into which anyone can get their head stuck.

[andyM]

Nice and clean, the government are trying to privitise the brigade I work for, last month we had torrential rainfall in one day resulting in 220 calls in which we rescued 20 people , if it gets privatised like the government want, you will have to pay for this as we don't get funding for flooding incidents

I have to say that if we have a fire here, then do please turn out, but if it's flooding, then please stay away, as I think we will be able to manage, thank you.

I don't have a cat, so there's nothing to get stuck up a tree, and there are no railings around here into which anyone can get their head stuck.

What if you get your big toe stuck in the bath tap? 

[robert mitchell]

I spent a few years driving buses (hated it but it paid the bills) , thats private sector and they have been stitched over and over , and they ballot pretty much every other year for strike action .

They have had pay rises every year during the economic downturn we are having (still have friends who work there), public sector had none for three years until we got 1% last year .

The pension i have from from that job is better than my fire service pension .

I have friends who drive trains and do 35 hours a week for 46000 a year salary and a good pension  because they fight for it and have a strong union - private sector .

There are many private sector jobs that earn more than us and have better pensions and perks.

of course we could privatise everything so the tax payer doesnt have to pay for any of it.

Like the power companies - bills rising all the time , usually just before winter and they make massive profits.

The buses , now run privately and the service and state of vehicles etc is awful and tax payers still end up paying to run the non profitable routes because the bus companies cut them otherwise - they also make massive profits.

It wasnt me that said people are jealous , no reason to be as everyone has the same chance to join up if they want.

People moan about teachers , i know i couldnt do that job so i dont moan about whatever perks people think they have .

I also never said i was "representing us all"

I said as a country we should have more solidarity against our corrupt governments , labour , tories who ever they are all pigs feeding at a trough of our public money and dont even seem to be embarrassed about it.

actually i never said you were representing the the rest of us..i asked you not
to say you would be

jealousy reference wasnt aimed at yourself

maybe you should stop whingeing about the fire service pensions
and move to one of the other careers you mentioned you would be better
off and you do have the freedom of choice to do something else ...just
joking

here in birmingham we have a fantastic bus service

like i said before i have nothing against the fire service and i wish you
luck,personally i think that striking about anything that goes against
the public interest at this time is a bad move and support will be split
at best

thankyou for an interesting discussion

We have actually had a lot of support from the public so far .

Im always up for a good discussion , its the idiot trolls on here that ruin it .

My missus comes from up your way , leamington spa , she doesnt have the accent though :-)

[robert mitchell]

Nice and clean, the government are trying to privitise the brigade I work for, last month we had torrential rainfall in one day resulting in 220 calls in which we rescued 20 people , if it gets privatised like the government want, you will have to pay for this as we don't get funding for flooding incidents

I have to say that if we have a fire here, then do please turn out, but if it's flooding, then please stay away, as I think we will be able to manage, thank you.

I don't have a cat, so there's nothing to get stuck up a tree, and there are no railings around here into which anyone can get their head stuck.

What if you get your big toe stuck in the bath tap? 

That happened in a film I watched on vhs years ago , it was in german though so couldnt work out why the plumber took his clothes off .......

[andyM]

Nice and clean, the government are trying to privitise the brigade I work for, last month we had torrential rainfall in one day resulting in 220 calls in which we rescued 20 people , if it gets privatised like the government want, you will have to pay for this as we don't get funding for flooding incidents

I have to say that if we have a fire here, then do please turn out, but if it's flooding, then please stay away, as I think we will be able to manage, thank you.

I don't have a cat, so there's nothing to get stuck up a tree, and there are no railings around here into which anyone can get their head stuck.

What if you get your big toe stuck in the bath tap? 

That happened in a film I watched on vhs years ago , it was in german though so couldnt work out why the plumber took his clothes off .......

Yeah that sounds like it probably was Geoff.
Was he wearing a Merkin? 

[Panorama]

I have to say that if we have a fire here, then do please turn out


Will do, but have your home insurance policy ready so we can check if you are covered

[stuart mc]

I have to say that if we have a fire here, then do please turn out


Will do, but have your home insurance policy ready so we can check if you are covered

mate I have read your posts throughout this and you really do nothing to gain any support, you make some daft statements, robert is at least putting an interesting look on it all and worth talking to

[stuart mc]

I clean windows to put bread on the table , like most people I have a second job to keep my family's head above the water

what is your take home pay? after deductions, monthly amount will do

[Panorama]

Why do you want to know how much I take home ?

[stuart mc]

Why do you want to know how much I take home ?

because you claimed it was not enough to put bread on the table for your family, how big is your family?

[Geoff]

Nice and clean, the government are trying to privitise the brigade I work for, last month we had torrential rainfall in one day resulting in 220 calls in which we rescued 20 people , if it gets privatised like the government want, you will have to pay for this as we don't get funding for flooding incidents

I have to say that if we have a fire here, then do please turn out, but if it's flooding, then please stay away, as I think we will be able to manage, thank you.

I don't have a cat, so there's nothing to get stuck up a tree, and there are no railings around here into which anyone can get their head stuck.

What if you get your big toe stuck in the bath tap? 

That happened in a film I watched on vhs years ago , it was in german though so couldnt work out why the plumber took his clothes off .......

Yeah that sounds like it probably was Geoff.
Was he wearing a Merkin? 

 

[Panorama]

I have 1 daughter who is 10 and my wife is disabled and wheelchair bound, she doesn't and can't work, hence working a second job to keep our heads above water

[stuart mc]

I have 1 daughter who is 10 and my wife is disabled and wheelchair bound, she doesn't and can't work, hence working a second job to keep our heads above water

sorry to hear that but you never answered the question, before window cleaning how much do you earn a month after deductions?

[Panorama]

How much do you want me to say, cause regardless what I say it's going to be too much 900