[Steve Chapman]

Its funny how suppliers will always blame vac motor failure on you as if there couldnt possibly be another reason 

i did have this problem with extracta a few years ago and when I changed to the 5.4 motors never had the same problem after that !

I'm wary now of the bigger vacs as I think they just dont last as long as they should !


Steve

[M W.]

Its about time they updated the machine !

They do last though, although i replaced the 7.2 vacs with 5.4 as they were going all the time and costing a small fortune.

Never noticed any difference in performance !

Steve

feel as if were forever re-newing vacs in ours, more often vac 1 ?, 

[Andrew Briscoe]

Although they look a little dated, they do look a very strong robust machine, good build quality.

A car wash I pass regularly has been using 1 for as long as I can remember,
for the last 3 years it has only had 3 wheels on it, looks like it is on its last legs, but still going strong. Not owned one so cant comment more

[Steve Chapman]

We were replacing the big vacs at least every 6 months, one actually lasted 2 months.
With the smaller vacs they've lasted well over a year .

Steve

[Glynn]

I used to get about 300 hours out of them.

[john martin]

 Well hopefully Extracta have totally revised the Excels plumbing because it will see a huge increase in airflow and potential tank turbulence with the 8.4 motors .

Anyone reading ' the other channels '  ' discussion '  on the 8.4 Excel will  have read the attempt to  discredit the 8.4 by four individuals who are in some way financially associated with board    .

One claimed the 8.4 was old technology  ....  false
Another claimed the 8.4 was for dry use only ... false
And the other two claimed it had weak suction compared to the 6.6 ... false

ED.Valentine claimed the 8.4 had only 115" H2o lift compared to 133.9 for the 6.6 .

This is quote from TMF a couple of weeks ago ..

"Just started up my first 8.4 today. Don't have what I need to measure cfms but
we all know that the 8.4 2 stage provides over 140 cfms. What surprised the
heck out of me was getting 145" h2o. "

The quote is by Jan Sullins  ...   Ed .Vs   USA distributor , one his testers ... and the guy who found the 6.6 motor for ED in the first place .

Another tactic by ED.V  is to try and claim a distinction between the 120v motors and the 230v motors performance ... he has used this to try and explain the high CFM claims by solutions for Jag compared to the USA measurments .  Ameteks data clearly shows no performance distinction between the two voltages ...  and not only that but the 133.9 figure he claimed they measured for the 6.6 is exactly what Ametek shows on its 6.6 data sheet .
In any case the chance of getting 133.9 exactly the same as a random Ametek lab test is slim even if he he did have a digital lift gauge .
I would wager that he never even held a 230v 8.4 in his hand let alone test it ...
These individuals will say anything to try and  shift there own product and discredit the other manufactures .

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Everything is down to what they or we think, nobody has ever done a like for like test or put real world numbers for each machine in front of us ATM its the balancing of cfm to lift which is more real IMO I mean is there a true test anyway? If you are mixing the two how can you say that one is better than the other?

Shaun

[Steve Chapman]

"I used to get about 300 hours out of them."

Thats about 3 - 4 months then 


Steve

[Steve. Taylor]

Steve changing the subject I was driving out of Portland and heard your advert on the radio. that is you right?

[john martin]

Everything is down to what they or we think, nobody has ever done a like for like test or put real world numbers for each machine in front of us ATM its the balancing of cfm to lift which is more real IMO I mean is there a true test anyway? If you are mixing the two how can you say that one is better than the other?

Shaun

Yes , but we can draw a conclusion based on the provided test specs by Ametek and the data given by those individuals who have tested the 8.4 on the USA boards and decide if there is then any credence to an extremely  low lift claim provided by an individual who is know on both sides of the Atlantic for providing fudged and misleading figures .

Ameteks 240v specs show that 8.4 has 145" lift  ( look at the bottom line on the h20  ....  145 @ 00)

http://www.centralvacuummotor.com/Product%20Bulletin/122178-18.pdf

Then read the reported  test figures on the USA boards ... from as mentioned eg Jan Sullins (144) ... Jamie fabara ( 144)  ...


Then try and make sence of a claim by ED.V for 115 "  ... i just dosn't make sense
and i suggest its pulled out of his a$$ .


And as for me claiming that he cant be relied on for figures ...
Heres a ramdom discussion that backs up my claim .

http://tiny.cc/k8mu4w  

[Ian Gourlay]

The market for machines must be a lot bigger than many of us realise.

If they can still sell machines with 100psi pumps somebody must be buying them

[Glynn]

Who do you think sells the most ?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I guess the only honest appraisal would be if a manufacturer test against their own machine 2x 6.6 vacs against 2 x 8.4 there would be no liable cases that way

Shaun

[Steve Chapman]

"Steve changing the subject I was driving out of Portland and heard your advert on the radio. that is you right?"

Yes Steve It was, what were you doing on Portland, nobody from the outside world goes there 

Steve

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

I love extracta exls that's why mines still going its as 7000 hours on the clock ! its 20 years old and only had 5 new vac motors in its life

 its never had the pump changed ! in white with its power brush ! and I would never sell it just like my modie c that's over 30 years old one vac and still on them silver quick locks  cleaned the car with it yesterday

[M W.]

I love extracta exls that's why mines still going its as 7000 hours on the clock ! its 20 years old and only had 5 new vac motors in its life

 its never had the pump changed ! in white with its power brush ! and I would never sell it just like my modie c that's over 30 years old one vac and still on them silver quick locks  cleaned the car with it yesterday

  my main exel will eat a vac in 8 to 12 mth average, pump a little longer , gain 2/3 mths with re newing pump bushes. once fitted vac 1 twice recently within 6 weeks  .

[Steve. Taylor]

"Steve changing the subject I was driving out of Portland and heard your advert on the radio. that is you right?"

Yes Steve It was, what were you doing on Portland, nobody from the outside world goes there 

Steve

Fishing and camping just down the road love Portland great view at the top nice fish restaurant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49AgCtprDYY

[Steve Chapman]

Yep spent many hours fishing on chesil beach, if you went to the crab house it's fantastic if you're  a fish lover esp the lobster !

Steve

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

I love extracta exls that's why mines still going its as 7000 hours on the clock ! its 20 years old and only had 5 new vac motors in its life

 its never had the pump changed ! in white with its power brush ! and I would never sell it just like my modie c that's over 30 years old one vac and still on them silver quick locks  cleaned the car with it yesterday

  my main exel will eat a vac in 8 to 12 mth average, pump a little longer , gain 2/3 mths with re newing pump bushes. once fitted vac 1 twice recently within 6 weeks  .

really? what you doing with them ?? I always leave two cups of water in the tanks so the pumps never run dry , also I don't plonk the hand tool in the clean tank to remove the water as it pulls themotors to bits a take my time sucking water and air to remove it alittle tip learnt from my farther he always said let the vac motor breath noting works with out air

[M W.]

Well i do have an operator thats being wi us a while, his knick name is BAM BAM  . we always remove all but a little water in solution tank. ive never used hand tool to remove water from solution tank ever, also havent ever rooled hoses/hand tool into solution tank as some people do. i can be held responsible for drawing clean tank water without letting air into hose. but as for 2 x vacs going bang within 6 weeks ? cant explain. first time in 12years ive experienced this mind, but my wallet was wounded. fitted vacs correctly, brother in law pat tested for me. blank faces from extracta, from one of the owners   .