[rice]

I`ve been thinking of buying a CFR OZONE CARPET CLEANING  machine and would appreciate any  advice or opinion.If it does what it claims to do then  it should have a Unique Selling Point.That is, until everybody else starts using them.Are they popular?       
         
   
regards rice.
   

[carpetclean]

went down yesterday and saw it . amazing thing and cant quite grasp the concept. should imagine its where the future is but limitted to who you could aim it to at the moment. iive opted for the perfect heat and was knocked out at how the cfr system works going back down today to collect it makes my drimaster system redundant as its not compatible so will be looking to sell the rdm and the hand tool both less than six months old

[AJCleaningServices]

went down yesterday and saw it . amazing thing and cant quite grasp the concept. should imagine its where the future is but limitted to who you could aim it to at the moment…

Carpetclean,

 : What do you mean? :

…iive opted for the perfect heat and was knocked out at how the cfr system works … it makes my drimaster system redundant as its not …

Could you explain whether it is not compatible because of connections or because the principal of work is completely different?

Thank you for replying,


Kind regards,
Arthur

[carpetclean]

the systems are totally different one relies on vacuum power and the other does not

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

How many capet cleaning machines are you going to buy and sell before you settle down?

Well done mate. I think it's the best system on the market. In fact if anything, now that you realise that vacuum power is not the essential ingredient the 750 psi single vac ozone is the one to go for.

By the way I have designed an ozone system for the Ninja! I'm not releasing the details just yet but suffice to say that the componentry involved FAR surpasses what the CFR version does. Not that the CFR doesn't work - It's  brilliant. It's just that their system relies on the water continually recirculating to sufficiently Ozonate the water. Their system WILL NOT work in any other extraction machine because it CANNOT produce sufficient Ozone quickly enough.
I've done a lot of research on the subject and put together what I consider to be a bombproof 'One Box' design incorporating CFR's perfect heat coils 'inline' before the V2 heat exchanger OR the whole system can be 'shoehorned' into the Ninja while still retaining the twin vacuum system. It's more than the CFR version, but it works differently and has the hallmark of being more reliable. NO-one else out there makes it.
I'll post how I get on with it once I've got it up and running.

But yes, buy CFR. I believe it's the future of carpet cleaning, although I feel more so in the commercial market .

All the best - Is the 'fiver' in the post ?
Alan

[John Rimmer Marshall & Rimmer Ltd]

Trouble now is there are so many portables to choose from all offering diferent
things, ie 2 or 3 vacs 200-300-400-500 psi pumps. In some ways that can be a good thing in that you have more choice, but it can allso mudy the waters a bit.
Rather like being in a sweet shop ( i can just about remember ) and not knowing what you want. As my machine is 3yrs old in the summer i will be looking around
myself at what there is, that is one reason wye a forum such as this can be of use. Any feedback from other CCs is always a good thing, when it comes to
something like this, and is much appreciated.

                                               Take Care John

[AJCleaningServices]

Would somebody say how much ozone carpet cleaning machines could cost?

Thank you,
Arthur

[boshravie]

Hi Arthur

If you buy the OZONE machine on its own is about £600.00 plus V.A.T but if you buy it incorporated with the carpet cleaning machine, depending on the machine which you buy price varies .
Why don’t you give Amtech a ring.?

[AJCleaningServices]

Hi Arthur

If you buy the OZONE machine on its own is about £600.00 plus V.A.T but if you buy it incorporated with the carpet cleaning machine, depending on the machine which you buy price varies .
Why don’t you give Amtech a ring.?

I know you got a new CFR, is it ozone carpet machine?
Kind regards,
Arthur

[boshravie]

Mine is only PRO 500 perfect heat .
The picture you see above is the OZONE machine I bought separate.
The reason I did that because if you buy any C.F.R machine with the OZONE you can not have the high heat to go with it. Therfore you have a choice of separate OZONE machine which I think is better because you can treat all the room with the separate OZONE machine not only the carpet.

[AJCleaningServices]

Do you use chemicals to clean carpets?  Forgive me I am a newbie, I red here that ozone machines do not require any chemicals/detergents.  Could you confirm?  Thank you.

Kind regards,
Arthur

[gwrightson]

I am puzzled to know why the dri master cannot be used with the cfr!!
I have used a dri master hand tool with the cfr, no problems , I get the feeling you are saying that there must be a special machine to use the dri master? if so what is it?
 Geoff

[John Kelly]

You are playing with fire using a stand alone Ozone machine at the same time as cleaning the carpet. Ozone gas when mixed with water creates hydrogen peroxide, a bleaching agent.
Creating Ozone in the vicinity of wet carpets and more importantly wet upholstery can lead to untold problems. We were working on a protein fire clean-up, over night one of the sprays the lads had been using, containing only water, developed a leak. The water crept into a nearby wool carpet. Unfortunately we had an Ozone machine running at the time resulting in a large bleached area. Fortunately we were able to re-tuft from a spare piece of carpet. Otherwise it would have been a £1700 bill.
Also know of a cream suite which was still slightly damp, all the piping turned bright pink. Not kidding ask any competent fire & flood restoration technician.

[HolmansUKLTD]

Just to let you know carpetcleans rdm does work with his cfr proheat machine, we have been playing with it today

Regards

Nick

[AquaMagic]

Could somebody please explain what CRF is and how the concept works/differs to HWE, im a bit of a newbie and would appreciate the advice.

Many thanks

Dene

[Alan Brooker. Aqualink Carpet Care]

You are playing with fire using a stand alone Ozone machine at the same time as cleaning the carpet. Ozone gas when mixed with water creates hydrogen peroxide, a bleaching agent.
Creating Ozone in the vicinity of wet carpets and more importantly wet upholstery can lead to untold problems.

Thanks for the info John. I am VERY wary of the whole idea of Ozone gas being used in the general scope of carpet and upholstery cleaning. Because of the health implications it is a VERY specialist area and should be left for use in disaster situations.
However, when use at the correct dosage 'in solution' (water) as confirmed by a REDOX meter it is completely harmless for cleaning use (unless you're a bug in the carpet ) At 3,125 times more powerful an oxidant than chlorine it literally explodes the cell wall of organic matter - rendering it dead - with fatal results! However, think about the fact that bottled water is ozonated, fruit is washed in ozonated water, meat and poultry is treated with it and so on...
 Check out the EPA website, they really dont seem to approve of the use of ozone gas, but ozonated water...

Think about it.
Alan

[rice]

Thanks for the great response.
My market is mainly domestic,a lot of small babies crawling on carpets.People today are more enviromentally aware,and I think given a choice between inclusive ozone assisted cleaning and post spray disinfectant they will go for the ozone, I think there is a market for it and if there is`nt you create one.
"do you know whats in your matresses etc etc"People need a reason to clean and our job is to provide and service it.
Regarding the heating issue CFR do a clip-on heat exchanger(regulated for wool) ,but if you`re working at max lenght (83ft) you lose a lot of heat.ANY IDEAS?
 
Thanks Alan for the explanation on the peroxide issue,I`ve only just bought a computer and it would have taken me an hour to type a reply. It took me 30 minutes just to find the apostrophie key,classes needed badly I think.


Great forum and a friendly atomosphere

Many thanks
RICE

[John Kelly]

Alan

I am not doubting it has its uses if used correctly, I sell Ozone machines so I am pro Ozone. What I was warning about is using a stand alone machine in a situation involving wet carpets and upholstery. When the uncontrolled Ozone gas comes into contact with the wet material it can cause a reaction. Ozoning water is a totally different thing as once the Ozone leaves the liquid it reverts back to Oxygen.
I wasn't meaning the CFR machine which I am sure is designed not to cause these kinds of problems.

[Derek]

There has always been some confusion over the ozone machines used in the restoration industry and the ozone generated within the capet cleaning machine.

I have asked Steve Day CEO of CFR to talk on this subject at Carpex to answer the many questions you raise.

It's one of the free seminars... why not come along

[boshravie]

Hi Derek

That is a good point we will be at carpex show and i for sure would be very intrested.

Thanks Derek