i know what you mean david , I did a bingo a few weeks back , nice sat morning 5pm start , but after 20 mins I wasn't happy with the way it was looking so did a few panels came home and went back at teatime to show her what the job would look like , she was happy so I went back the next morning [ sun ] and did the rest and fair enough she paid up , but it wont be going in my before and after portfolio if you know what I mean , sometimes its just not worth the hassle