[john martin]

John ...... as you previously stated "deliberately biased  advice by a combination of  Industry leeches  ,  payed shills , self appointed regime minders and lackeys" ...... any advice I offer is likely to be biased in that I can only talk from experience and I used Solutions products !!
I am not in the supply industry, paid, self appointed or a lackey ...........  although I understand you are in the supply industry and very vocal against anything from Solutions so I can understand your deliberately skewed approach....... I sung the praises of my Speedster when I used that but decided to go for something more powerful but lighter to manoeuvre.

Someone referred to the Jaguar 6.6 & M Power as crap products that don't always work ......... MP & Solutions microsplitters  are what basically won my 6 green business awards and Parliament prefer to pay me 3 times as much as their own contract cleaners, to get the end results and the drying times that the Jaguar 6.6 can offer.
I will stand corrected, if there are other products or machines out there, that have achieved the same acknowledgements but in the meantime ........ I cannot simply sit here reading a thread started for the sole purpose of belittling something unjustly  

Me a supplier !  I only supply the truth          you will believe what the regime tells you  . That must make you a La_ _ _ _         

[Chris Straker]

Not spoken to anyone at Solutions in months so regime not at fault ....... heard a whisper off someone on this forum who is also anti everything and likes to supply their version of the truth  

I don't quite understand why people realise that CT is Solutions based and CIU is not ........... yet they still moan about what they see on either channel .......... I can't watch surgical operations on tv but have physically sat through many post mortems ........ simply don't look at what you don't like or want to see. Would save so much time that is spent whining about it, to anyone like minded enough to listen  

PARP  

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I was talking to a supplier sometime ago and he said that john Martin had bought some items from him we were talking about vac motors I don't know john Martin at all never spoken to him but the supplier who I respect said that he was a fellow carpet cleaner (obviously with a strong opinion) but that's what it's all about as long as forum rules are obeyed, i enjoy his posts I enjoy a lot of posts on here there will always be a difference in the forums but that's good we don't want a carbon copy of each other.

Shaun

[john martin]

I was talking to a supplier sometime ago and he said that john Martin had bought some items from him we were talking about vac motors I don't know john Martin at all never spoken to him but the supplier who I respect said that he was a fellow carpet cleaner (obviously with a strong opinion) but that's what it's all about as long as forum rules are obeyed, i enjoy his posts I enjoy a lot of posts on here there will always be a difference in the forums but that's good we don't want a carbon copy of each other.

Shaun

Seriously Shaun   ,  a different John martin or he got the names mixed up     

[Kinver_Clean]

So, what is your interest in the cleaning business? Supplier, cleaner, machine builder or machine repairer ?

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Apparently so as this John Martin was apparently a good looking well admired man who spoke with an eloquent aplomb, sorry for the mix up 

Shaun

[liviu pastravanu]

"Dave, I did two houses (void properties) yesterday of which one property had no hot water. So mixed up MP, then agitated could not believe the finish even with cold water. Great results."

This is a post of Darran Pryce made on the other forum about "MP crap" and also had some before and after pictures that were good. So make your mind Darran 

[dan paton]

Darran you'd be better off starting your own forum as your starting to look a bit stupid on both these ones 

[Darran Pryce]

Darran you'd be better off starting your own forum as your starting to look a bit stupid on both these ones 

No Daniel, is it Daniel Woodhead?

Don't look or feel stupid, it's called a debate.  Freedom to discuss, if you don't like what I have said, then don't come on.  I asked a question, and the rest is up to people to answer what they think about whatever forum that they use.

If people disagree with what I have said then that's the whole point, no one gets banned on here. Some agree with me some don't, just like some don't/do agree with what others have said.  Simples!

[Darran Pryce]

"Dave, I did two houses (void properties) yesterday of which one property had no hot water. So mixed up MP, then agitated could not believe the finish even with cold water. Great results."

This is a post of Darran Pryce made on the other forum about "MP crap" and also had some before and after pictures that were good. So make your mind Darran 

Wonder if this is Daniel Woodhead!!!!  Whatever..... I don't have to justify myself with products that I have used on.  The Picture you see might be one of the first jobs that we did with MP. Other jobs used MP, nothing or made vary little impact.  Then we turned to SPM well that's another story, I'm not knocking that, good stuff.  I will give credit were it's due.

MP is good for vomit and urine and will use it for that only. In fact the latests pics on Solutions, carpets cleaned by SPM.  My opinion is MP is not cut out to what it says it to be, if you don't like what I have said, then tough!  It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it, just like you are. 

[Andrew Evans]

Hi Darren I think it is mainly because you were so rude about the people on Cleantalk rather than its products which has upset most people you are right you are entitled to your opinion but when it becomes abusive to other people perhaps it shouldn't be aired. I use solutions solutions including M power and find they work I also have prochem and chemspec products on the van they work too. I used to own an Altec machine now use a Jag both great machines and was happy with both. I can't understand all the nasty stuff it serves no purpose and detracts from your own business maybe the energy is best directed to that rather than being nasty about a group of people somewhere else.

As you say everyone is welcome to their opinion this is mine also when I started, out of all the suppliers Nick was the only one who supplied me with what I wanted rather than what they wanted to sell me.

Best wishes Andy

[*Hector*]

good points Andrew.... still eating the pies??

 

[Darran Pryce]

Hi Andrew

Thanks for your opinion.  I'm glad that's your experience, and hope it continues.

All the best
Darran

[Steve9]

Bum licking, biased forum to influence sheep and newbies. Rightly or wrongly, being owned by Solution, that's the way it is.

I know I'd rather buy a machine for that price with heat. It's light for a reason.

[Andrew Evans]

Hi Hecter yes as many as I can get my podgy hands on  Darran thanks for your polite reply and I hope things work out well for you, Steve in answer to your post yes it can be, which obviously isn't good and why I don't go on as much, as for the Jag yes I would have liked it to have heat but haven't found it to be a big problem. I don't think there is a high end porty which can give you heat high psi and big vac's all at the same time.

When I up grade I am not sure if I will still go for a porty, although I would hopefully be able to keep my Jag, work permitting I still think a TM is the really serious end of the market and this is what I am trying to work to just need more work or higher priced clients!!

Also Steve if you are who I think you are then I actually agreed with your comments on the last thread you posted on ct either way the suns out and the grass isn't going to cut itself (unfortunately).

Have a good one.

Andrew

[john martin]

Hi Hecter yes as many as I can get my podgy hands on  Darran thanks for your polite reply and I hope things work out well for you, Steve in answer to your post yes it can be, which obviously isn't good and why I don't go on as much, as for the Jag yes I would have liked it to have heat but haven't found it to be a big problem. I don't think there is a high end porty which can give you heat high psi and big vac's all at the same time.



Andrew

Is that what they told you over there   

Alltec Evolution  ....  twin 6.6. + 1/2HP Pumptec  with   2000w inbuilt inline heat + 3000w immersion intank as a preheater .

Drop the psi a bit (400) and there is the Enforcer with two onboard  3000w heaters
  or the Airflex Custom in series  ...  3000w onboard .
or Prochem Endeavor  ...  two 6.6 + 3000w heat .

[Chris Straker]

Have heard a lot about heat and in 30 years of cleaning carpets, only ever needed heat three times .....same pub on 3 occasions !!
Tap hot water is about all I ever need for prespray and warm or cold rinse to finish ...... mind you, I tend to clean marked but not rotten carpets nowadays.

I am sure I also saw a mention of the time it takes for MP to work and that the person did not have time to waste on that ...... the client is paying for your time and a dwelling product will mean less scrubbing & water applied to carpets. If it is not worth your while, then maybe there needs to be a consideration on price. I prefer to do work that will pay me fully, for the time I put in and I leave when I have done ...... not because I have another appointment as any job that takes me all morning, should pay my days money 

Much better to do five £400 jobs a week than four hundred £5 ones 

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

I am a great believer in heat but respect the opinion of experienced CC's like Chris.

There is more than one way to skin the proverbial cat!

On the question of forums obviously CT is owned and run by Solutions and is more highly moderated than CIU, posters can choose where they feel happier.

Cheers

Doug

[Wayne Dean]

Ok I'm gonna be honest and say that this was just a ridiculous irrelevant thread to start with

Was there really any need to start this thread, what real relevance does it have to our industry  

Surely you knew when deciding to start, choosing your subject title followed by your message that you were just gonna kick things off....of course you knew, if not then what were you trying to gain?

We are all here for one reason and one reason only......to network and to gather knowledge/help on becoming successful within our industry, am I right or wrong??

I'm not interested in hearing people slag of other forums, products and equipment etc...that's just school yard antics! However what I am only interested in is gathering an educated view, opinion or review that actually contains any real structure, meaning or depth.

Over the years I have used every chemical, solution or whatever you wanna call them, trust me. Prochem, ChemSpec, Alltec, Amtech, Solutions blah blah blah bloody blah do i really need to go on!

Some are amazing, some are great, some are good, some work for others, some don't, and some just aren't for me it's that simple

For me now and and the way that I run my business, Solutions products and customer service works perfectly. I have never had a problem but if I did then I'm more than confident that Nick and the team will rectify, after all we are all human and problems beyond our control sometimes do happen.....THAT'S LIFE!

Kind regards

Wayne  

[john martin]

Have heard a lot about heat and in 30 years of cleaning carpets, only ever needed heat three times .....same pub on 3 occasions !!
Tap hot water is about all I ever need for prespray and warm or cold rinse to finish ...... mind you, I tend to clean marked but not rotten carpets nowadays.

I am sure I also saw a mention of the time it takes for MP to work and that the person did not have time to waste on that ...... the client is paying for your time and a dwelling product will mean less scrubbing & water applied to carpets. If it is not worth your while, then maybe there needs to be a consideration on price. I prefer to do work that will pay me fully, for the time I put in and I leave when I have done ...... not because I have another appointment as any job that takes me all morning, should pay my days money 

Much better to do five £400 jobs a week than four hundred £5 ones 

Fine if your just doing maintenance cleans these days  , but some do whatever they are asked to do  ...  so if you have to do suite that some guy with greasy hair sat for 10 years eating chips with his dog beside him  ...  you can spend half  the day scrubbing in your MP and dwelling then hit it with your stone cold jag  .....   or you could choose to sail through it with 3000w heat  ...  I know which one makes life easier .