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steve123

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C o z y

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2013, 10:43:48 am »
oh dear. Take cover  ;D
No still don't understand, I must be thick

steve123

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2013, 10:47:47 am »
oh dear. Take cover  ;D

 ;D  I am sure someone will say these highly skilled engineers are wrong  ;D

PAUL ERITH

Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 10:48:10 am »
I don't clean solar panels at the moment but i think they do need cleaning the main question is the frequency that makes that clean beneficial to the customer.

Rain won't remove heavy algae or pterodactyl crap  ;)

Paul

C o z y

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2013, 10:51:08 am »
I don't clean solar panels at the moment but i think they do need cleaning the main question is the frequency that makes that clean beneficial to the customer.

Rain won't remove heavy algae or pterodactyl crap  ;)

Paul

 ;D
No still don't understand, I must be thick

steve123

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2013, 11:08:27 am »
I don't clean solar panels at the moment but i think they do need cleaning the main question is the frequency that makes that clean beneficial to the customer.

Rain won't remove heavy algae or pterodactyl crap  ;)

Paul

pterodactyl crap ?   I guess you must be UP NORFF  then?   ;D

Alex Wingrove

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2013, 11:41:54 am »
oh dear. Take cover  ;D

 ;D  I am sure someone will say these highly skilled engineers are wrong  ;D

They are

""Dust on PV panels does make a difference but it's not a big enough factor in California to warrant cleaning"

Tell this owner there is no point cleaning his solar panels


EandM

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2013, 11:45:54 am »
Given that California is a dry State we would have to ask if a study there has any comparable value with the UK ?

PoleKing

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2013, 12:46:48 pm »
I don't care if they 'need' cleaning or not. If someone is going to pay me to clean them then that's what I'll do. For the best price I can get.

Sidebar:
Has Steve or Alex W got any figures of the efficiency of an array before and after cleaning, with the ammount of money (not power) it produces the owners.
Either may not want to divulge a price but I'd like to see the maths on
£ made per (say) month while dirty compared to clean then subtract the price if the clean.
Any real (not hypothetical) I'd be really interested in seeing guys...
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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Alex Wingrove

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2013, 12:53:46 pm »
I will be some results from this job soon.

I would take a guess that they were losing about about 30% from this array, But it could be higher, I will let you know when I am done

PoleKing

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2013, 01:01:26 pm »
I will be some results from this job soon.

I would take a guess that they were losing about about 30% from this array, But it could be higher, I will let you know when I am done

Cheers Alex.
If you don't mind (and if the customer tells you) could you post how much per month they were making, in money, while dirty.
How much they make per month, once cleaned. (Actual figures please) then a pro rata to monthly price of how much you charged them. Ie if you charge them £600 but they're only having them cleaned twice a year that's £100PCM.

Understand if you don't want to but I am actually very interested...

Regards, Darren
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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AuRavelling79

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2013, 01:07:19 pm »
Once a year makes sense.
It's a game of three halves!

PoleKing

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2013, 01:08:57 pm »
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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Alex Wingrove

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2013, 01:30:03 pm »
I will give you as much info as I can Darren.

I will say that there are a vast array (no pun) of differences in the jobs we have done. And what you really need is experience.

In the past I have cleaned panels for free just for data

PoleKing

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #14 on: September 14, 2013, 01:32:45 pm »
I will give you as much info as I can Darren.

I will say that there are a vast array (no pun) of differences in the jobs we have done. And what you really need is experience.

In the past I have cleaned panels for free just for data

Yeah, I didn't think it'd just be a case of one size fits all (same as windows I suppose) but I'd just be interested from a 'specific case in point' point of view.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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andyM

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #15 on: September 14, 2013, 01:40:42 pm »
Put into context, 7.4% lost efficiency through not cleaning might not make a lot of difference on a single house.
But a similar loss on one of those large solar farms is probably fairly substantial.
One of the Plebs

Alex Wingrove

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #16 on: September 14, 2013, 01:57:31 pm »
The loss is the same

7.4% is of £1000 is the same percentage as 7.4% of £10000.

But if you are charging 8% there is no point :P

steve123

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2013, 01:59:10 pm »
So basically what you guys are saying is... The yank engineers are wrong, solar panels DO need cleaning..... but no one has any data that proves why or how much improvement it makes.

Apart from....... they look nicer    ;D

PoleKing

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2013, 02:11:49 pm »
So basically what you guys are saying is... The yank engineers are wrong, solar panels DO need cleaning..... but no one has any data that proves why or how much improvement it makes.

Apart from....... they look nicer    ;D

No.
Alex has not said that at all.
He has said he will do tests and come back to us.
And stated a fact that if the saving is 7.4% but the clean price is 8% it is fiscally unviable.
Let Alex post his results-in a month or so I'd assume-then we are all in a position to make our own judgements.
So far no one is coming forward with and facts-one may assume because they haven't got any
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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EandM

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Re: Solar panel cleaning is a waste of time, Official!
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2013, 02:26:10 pm »
So basically what you guys are saying is... The yank engineers are wrong, solar panels DO need cleaning..... but no one has any data that proves why or how much improvement it makes.

Apart from....... they look nicer    ;D

I have seen some measurable data from my last solar panel clean. I cleaned a third of an array which was split into three sections with the outputs recorded, on-line, in real time. We compared the before and after output figures and the third that I cleaned showed no measurable improvement over the two thirds I didn't clean. An adjoining property had a smaller array fitted at the same time and also not cleaned since construction. Their clean resulted in a measurable improvement of 30% !
The difference was that my section was in a marshy field, away from the road and trees and the other section was in a farmyard, on a barn, with tractors turning underneath, lots of dust and the presence of molasses that left black, sticky streaks all over. The summary is that it seems to be the TYPE of contamination not the amount - Dust on my panels was negligible but the more agricultural waste on the others was not. The average rain frequency for the UK is every other day - California, rather less - So dust in the UK isn't going to be anything like that of CA and by comparison only, the UK could be considered self cleaning under certain conditions.