[robert mitchell]

Can I see junes email too please .

Mitchell_robert9@sky.com

[Moderator David@stives]

me to please

dmwc@talktalk.net

[George P]

me too please george@georgepowell.wanadoo.co.uk
cheers
george

[dazmond]

as a sole trader window cleaner id be seriously out of pocket if i believed all their hype and slick marketing and bought all their over complicated,overblown and ridiculously over priced gear.

you can get wfp equipment that does the job just as well for a fraction of the price elsewhere.


regards



dazmond

[davids3511]

Watch them lobby and lobby to get diy systems banned by the insurance companies with their system being the "gold standard" of safety. It's gotta be on their list of things to get round to.

[AuRavelling79]

Go on Nathanael get trading standards involved .. hang on a mo' ...

PPB is brilliant because any windy who is daft enough to fall for the hype is going to have to charge top whack to help repay the money he's chucked away and for ongoing filtration too. Great for prices all round.

PPB is brilliant because if said windy doesn't succeed he'll have a few dozen custies at high prices ready to be picked up.

Every one is a winner except the poor sucker who unnecessarily paid tens of thousands for van and system and thousands for filtration when he only needed to pay thousands and hundreds.

And as for hot water, poor old Ionics have got to face geezers fitting geysers (see what I did there?)  for a few hundred and doing just as good a job as far as the custy is concerned; and even yours truly has hot enough water for about £50 with an electric element!

No wonder these types rarely post on here (and change those posts to read differently when challenged and run away, remember that?) any more ...

[Nathanael Jones]

Go on Nathanael get trading standards involved .. hang on a mo' ...

I did actually look into it when they first came out with the 1000x better rubbish - turns out that reporting anything to trading standards from outside the uk is pretty much impossible. Even from within the UK the paperwork looks like itd be a nightmare.

[PoleKing]

what about advertising standards?
There's always reports of x people complained that someone said 'arse' on eastenders before 9pm isnt there.
Is that the same thing at all?

[G Griffin]

I forwarded the email to craig mawlams at ionic and I got a reply, he said
Just like hot water, the only real way to see the difference is to try it for yourself.
Craig Mawlam

He's got a point; I'll have to order one, then  .

[[GQC] Tim]

I forwarded the email to craig mawlams at ionic and I got a reply, he said this:

Hi Pete, thanks for the email, it is interesting that question of parts per billion is now being discussed more widely, in many ways it reminds me of the time when we launched our first hot water Thermopure systems.  Back then we had competitors coming out with all kinds of outlandish things about the use of hot pure water, from "it makes windows dirtier" to "it damages windows".  I didn't bother to entertain their arguments then, and I won't now for a simple reason - the proof is in the pudding.

Nowadays, Thermopure systems are everywhere, and currently Ionic sell about twice as many hot water as cold water systems.  When window cleaners actually used hot water, they saw the difference and the benefits for themselves.  (incidentally, most, if not all of those competitors that used to naysay hot water have since gone out of business, and that more than anything tells me that I was right)  The same will be true with PPB.

There is some truth to what June at Gapswater has said.  It is true that using resin alone isn't enough to produce water thats 0PPB.  That is why the Zero system has a sophisticated and automated water treatment process with several stages that we developed just for the Zero.  It simply couldn't be done as a DIY system.

We could get bogged down in the science of the subject, and that is interesting for some, but of much greater interest to most is whether it actually makes any practical difference when window cleaning.  As I'm sure I mentioned when you came to the BWCA training course, I was a window cleaner myself for decades cleaning some of the tallest buildings around, and when it came to new gadgets and gizmos, all that really mattered to me is whether it would save time, and therefore money.  This concept was the driving force behind Zero PPB, and indeed all of Ionic's innovations.

Just like hot water, the only real way to see the difference is to try it for yourself.  Of course we'll always get this those who will naysay the whole idea as a gimmick, just as they did for hot water, and even the Reach & Wash System itself.  That's fine, I have no problem with that at all because I know that the proof really is in the pudding.  In the mean time, forward thinking window cleaners who want to have the edge will actually use one of our Zero PPB systems, just as they did with our Thermopure systems, and reap the benefits.  We published the comments of two such window cleaners in our recent mailing, and in my view their words as window cleaners are as good as any that I could write!

Craig Mawlam

--

Craig Mawlam

The British Window Cleaning Academy
T: +44 (0) 1793 497 786
F: +44 (0) 1793 486 518
www.bwca.co.uk

Let's clear this up a bit, UV doesn't lower TDS, does Ozone? Even if it does, I highly doubt that Ozone alone takes it down to 0 ppb.

Shame he doesn't seem to have the knowledge to explain this.

[formb]

Hi Pete, thanks for the email, it is interesting that question of parts per billion is now being discussed more widely, in many ways it reminds me of the time when we launched our first hot water Thermopure systems.  Back then we had competitors coming out with all kinds of outlandish things about the use of hot pure water, from "it makes windows dirtier" to "it damages windows".  I didn't bother to entertain their arguments then, and I won't now for a simple reason - the proof is in the pudding.

Nowadays, Thermopure systems are everywhere, and currently Ionic sell about twice as many hot water as cold water systems.  When window cleaners actually used hot water, they saw the difference and the benefits for themselves.  (incidentally, most, if not all of those competitors that used to naysay hot water have since gone out of business, and that more than anything tells me that I was right)  The same will be true with PPB.

There is some truth to what June at Gapswater has said.  It is true that using resin alone isn't enough to produce water thats 0PPB.  That is why the Zero system has a sophisticated and automated water treatment process with several stages that we developed just for the Zero.  It simply couldn't be done as a DIY system.

We could get bogged down in the science of the subject, and that is interesting for some, but of much greater interest to most is whether it actually makes any practical difference when window cleaning.  As I'm sure I mentioned when you came to the BWCA training course, I was a window cleaner myself for decades cleaning some of the tallest buildings around, and when it came to new gadgets and gizmos, all that really mattered to me is whether it would save time, and therefore money.  This concept was the driving force behind Zero PPB, and indeed all of Ionic's innovations.

Just like hot water, the only real way to see the difference is to try it for yourself.  Of course we'll always get this those who will naysay the whole idea as a gimmick, just as they did for hot water, and even the Reach & Wash System itself.  That's fine, I have no problem with that at all because I know that the proof really is in the pudding.  In the mean time, forward thinking window cleaners who want to have the edge will actually use one of our Zero PPB systems, just as they did with our Thermopure systems, and reap the benefits.  We published the comments of two such window cleaners in our recent mailing, and in my view their words as window cleaners are as good as any that I could write!

Craig Mawlam

--

Craig Mawlam

The British Window Cleaning Academy
T: +44 (0) 1793 497 786
F: +44 (0) 1793 486 518
www.bwca.co.uk

Two window cleaners, who most likely get some kind of discount on their overpriced system.

All sounds a bit 'emperor's new clothes' to me. Looks like I might not be a "forward thinking window cleaner" but hey, Ionics have now stopped coming north of Glasgow, so what chuffing use are they to me anyway?

Like the man says "the only real way to see the difference is to try it for yourself".

Pfffft

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Hi Pete, thanks for the email, it is interesting that question of parts per billion is now being discussed more widely, in many ways it reminds me of the time when we launched our first hot water Thermopure systems.  Back then we had competitors coming out with all kinds of outlandish things about the use of hot pure water, from "it makes windows dirtier" to "it damages windows".  I didn't bother to entertain their arguments then, and I won't now for a simple reason - the proof is in the pudding.

Nowadays, Thermopure systems are everywhere, and currently Ionic sell about twice as many hot water as cold water systems.  When window cleaners actually used hot water, they saw the difference and the benefits for themselves.  (incidentally, most, if not all of those competitors that used to naysay hot water have since gone out of business, and that more than anything tells me that I was right)  The same will be true with PPB.

There is some truth to what June at Gapswater has said.  It is true that using resin alone isn't enough to produce water thats 0PPB.  That is why the Zero system has a sophisticated and automated water treatment process with several stages that we developed just for the Zero.  It simply couldn't be done as a DIY system.

We could get bogged down in the science of the subject, and that is interesting for some, but of much greater interest to most is whether it actually makes any practical difference when window cleaning.  As I'm sure I mentioned when you came to the BWCA training course, I was a window cleaner myself for decades cleaning some of the tallest buildings around, and when it came to new gadgets and gizmos, all that really mattered to me is whether it would save time, and therefore money.  This concept was the driving force behind Zero PPB, and indeed all of Ionic's innovations.

Just like hot water, the only real way to see the difference is to try it for yourself.  Of course we'll always get this those who will naysay the whole idea as a gimmick, just as they did for hot water, and even the Reach & Wash System itself.  That's fine, I have no problem with that at all because I know that the proof really is in the pudding.  In the mean time, forward thinking window cleaners who want to have the edge will actually use one of our Zero PPB systems, just as they did with our Thermopure systems, and reap the benefits.  We published the comments of two such window cleaners in our recent mailing, and in my view their words as window cleaners are as good as any that I could write!

Craig Mawlam

--

Craig Mawlam

The British Window Cleaning Academy
T: +44 (0) 1793 497 786
F: +44 (0) 1793 486 518
www.bwca.co.uk

Two window cleaners, who most likely get some kind of discount on their overpriced system.

All sounds a bit 'emperor's new clothes' to me. Looks like I might not be a "forward thinking window cleaner" but hey, Ionics have now stopped coming north of Glasgow, so what chuffing use are they to me anyway?

Like the man says "the only real way to see the difference is to try it for yourself".

Pfffft

Don't know about discount, more likely to be two very gullible pillocks sat in an office!!

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Ionics are becoming a Parasite!!

[Stephen.C]

Go on Nathanael get trading standards involved .. hang on a mo' ...

I did actually look into it when they first came out with the 1000x better rubbish - turns out that reporting anything to trading standards from outside the uk is pretty much impossible. Even from within the UK the paperwork looks like itd be a nightmare.

Rubbish you bottled son

[cleartech Window Cleaners]

Wouldn't mind reading the email. Thanks
info@cleartechwindowcleaners.co.uk

[SunShineCleaning]

While you're at it. s@sunshine-cleaning.net

Ta