[Lee Burbidge]

Has anybody bought a PPB system and discovered that they may have wasted their money? Email me lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk

[concept]

Has anybody bought a PPB system and discovered that they may have wasted their money? Email me lee@windowcleaningmagazine.co.uk

Don't think you'd get many who would admit it!

[Stephen.C]

Ask Charlie Price, he's just got one. According to ionics  at the cleaning show they said a 12 week wait time if ordered at the show? I don't know anyone on here who has one other than large window cleaning companies. If I get a new system i'll stick to ppm.
worked ok for the last 4 years.

[Clever Forum Name]

Been using PPB since 2010. Not noticed ANY difference whatsoever compared to other systems (ppm and ppb)

Luckily we have an arrangement and get resin for free and also the fancy DI's.

The resin we get free as well.

http://www.shop.elgaprocesswater.co.uk/c940-nuclear-grade-cylinder-5068.html

[[GQC] Tim]

Ionics didn't have a PPB system in 2010. DIY?

[SunShineCleaning]

Been using PPB since 2010. Not noticed ANY difference whatsoever compared to other systems (ppm and ppb)

Luckily we have an arrangement and get resin for free and also the fancy DI's.

The resin we get free as well.

http://www.shop.elgaprocesswater.co.uk/c940-nuclear-grade-cylinder-5068.html

Do you have any contact details?

[Clever Forum Name]

Yep DIY system. We use a meter to check the water. (Resistance)

Only link I have is above. That link is relevant to the DI canister we use.

So far we haven't changed the resin since since 2010 :/ the resin is something like £400 a bag or something stupid like that.

If we had to pay for it. Then no chance.

[Small but perfectley formed]

you can get nuclear grade for £169m+ VAT may give this a try in di vessel

[Clever Forum Name]

That's a good price. But I think PPB is more for commercial use.

Some domestic windows I clean look spotless after 6 weeks!

[stuart mc]

Been using PPB since 2010. Not noticed ANY difference whatsoever compared to other systems (ppm and ppb)

Luckily we have an arrangement and get resin for free and also the fancy DI's.

The resin we get free as well.

http://www.shop.elgaprocesswater.co.uk/c940-nuclear-grade-cylinder-5068.html

Do you have any contact details?

the contact details are on the link, just click the contact us tab

[Nathanael Jones]

I honestly can't see how it would be better - here's why:

My tap water is around 300ppm and my static tank is 1000 litres (1 million millilitres) - so an unfiltered tank must contain 300ml of dissolved solids.

For the sake of math, lets say my system isn't running as it should, and is pumping water out at 1ppm,.. only removing 299ml of dissolved solids,... what would it take to get my water from 1ppm down to 1ppb???

At the very most,.. if the parts per billion system worked perfectly and removed every trace from the water, the best it could do is remove the final 1ml of dissolved solids,.. meaning that its best possible performance produces water only 0.333% purer than a standard system.

PPB is marketing bull - plain & simple. If you think it works better for you, you're simply walking proof of the placebo effect.

[formb]

Folks on here regularly report using water with a parts per million reading of more than zero without any ill effect.

Personally I only use 000. It dries clear on glass. What more could you possibly want from water that you are using to clean a window?

I see no benefit in purer water but perhaps a parts per billion system will purify water for longer without having to change filters or resin?

-edit: I see Ionics claim that "Water at this level of purity is far more effective at dissolving dirt, resulting in reduced cleaning time". I know from experience that purified water IS more aggressive than tap water on for example the chassis of a Land Rover. Perhaps there may be some truth in the claim, if so what effect will it have on frames, doors and the like? If I were to hazard a guess I'd say the difference is likely to be negligible.

[SunShineCleaning]

Yep DIY system. We use a meter to check the water. (Resistance)

Only link I have is above. That link is relevant to the DI canister we use.

So far we haven't changed the resin since since 2010 :/ the resin is something like £400 a bag or something stupid like that.

If we had to pay for it. Then no chance.

It's your contact details we could do with so that we can have a chat about it.

Stuart

[Small but perfectley formed]

PPM is one drop of water in 50lt
PPB is one drop of water in 50000lt
Therefore it is 1000 times purer and it must affect its cleaning power.

[Nathanael Jones]

 So the PPB system will remove that "one drop in 50ltrs" right? Using your reasoning:

Lets say your current badly maintained system removes 15 drops (assuming a tap tds of 300 and rubbish output tds of 020) from your 50 litres,.. the ppb system removes 16 drops (ALL the impurities assuming an input tds of 300) - - how is that 1000% better?

I could put 1 drop of ink/paint/pigment - - the most staining substances on the planet in 50 litres & still be fairly confident that the results would be ok,....

PPM is one drop of water in 50lt
PPB is one drop of water in 50000lt
Therefore it is 1000 times purer and it must affect its cleaning power.

[roundbuilder]

So techniclaly we are not using pure water as 000ppm may be 001ppb.
Its all a con anyway, i dont change resin until it gets to 30-35 and never have probs or complaints, i could prob get away with water going even higher but havnt risked it yet.
Its just another way to get us window cleaners to spend even more money to keep upto date in the wfp world.

[Stephen.C]

So the PPB system will remove that "one drop in 50ltrs" right? Using your reasoning:

Lets say your current badly maintained system removes 15 drops (assuming a tap tds of 300 and rubbish output tds of 020) from your 50 litres,.. the ppb system removes 16 drops (ALL the impurities assuming an input tds of 300) - - how is that 1000% better?

I could put 1 drop of ink/paint/pigment - - the most staining substances on the planet in 50 litres & still be fairly confident that the results would be ok,....

PPM is one drop of water in 50lt
PPB is one drop of water in 50000lt
Therefore it is 1000 times purer and it must affect its cleaning power.

The Pubs are open, im off to my local now

[TomCrowther]

I am not sold on the parts per billion, but hot water on first cleans or less regular cleans would definitely make sense.

[Carl@Cwc]

I am not sold on the parts per billion, but hot water on first cleans or less regular cleans would definitely make sense.

what about hot PPB.

[gary999]

So techniclaly we are not using pure water as 000ppm may be 001ppb.
Its all a con anyway, i dont change resin until it gets to 30-35 and never have probs or complaints, i could prob get away with water going even higher but havnt risked it yet.
Its just another way to get us window cleaners to spend even more money to keep upto date in the wfp world.

lately ive been using water of 58ppm and ive not noticed any diference in
the waters ability to clean compared to 000ppm

the only  difference is the potential for water marks which doesn't happen
on 90% of properties I clean

the approx 10% where it does I run a squeegee on a pole across the glass
at the bottom of the frame where the water gathers solves the problem
in seconds

I agree 000ppm is a con and 000ppb is a con with bells bollox and whistles
attached