[Tom White]

To be fair, it isn't a very well worded post Dean.
It comes across as aggressive (IMO) and the sort of person who you wouldn't want to work for. Minimal pricing and maximum effort, money being the ONLY criteria.

Fair enough if Grif isn't like that at all, just how it comes across.
It is difficult to portray true intent in text sometimes.

I agree with you.  I've done work like this; not well priced, hard graft and a three month wait to get paid.

It's a lot of hassle for what's effectively a 'one off' too.

We also had to wear hard hats and high vis vests, which wasn't a problem, but Wor Lass didn't like it! 

[Dean Taberner]

You get a bit of that though Darren,

I know what you mean though but it is a harsh reality in the real world.

A lot of us on here are protected from the real world and become unattached from reality and find ourselves lucky enough to rip apart posts that a put up on her.

The building trade has gone tits up over the last few years and the original poster was only putting a few key words in his opening post where people who understand what he means will get in touch with him.

Anyway,

Its friday night, I'm working tomorrow so can't drink any where near what I'd like to drink so I'm off to bed.

Peace and love to all.

Dean.

[PoleKing]

Dean. I know, just being the yang to your ying


Archer-not got it bud...

[Archer]

Darren

email e your number and I will give u a quick ring if u want

[PoleKing]

Just got into bed bud, Mrs snoring next to me!
If you could give me a quick bell tomorrow afternoon though I'd appreciate it.
Mobile is on my website.

Thank you.

[rosskesava]

I thought CIS deductions only apply when subbing off a building contractor.

They do.  Op will be getting deducted 20% on his invoices to the builder (or cleaning firm if its already subbed) so will therefore have to pass it on if he subs out a portion of the work.

We do a lot of this type of work, build clean, re-clean, sparkle clean. Our invoices are not subject to CIS deductions as exterior cleaning is not subject to the scheme.

As a small company the scheme is a major pain the rear, and reclaiming any overpayments or adjustments is near impossible. I've a friend who is owed over £13k in overpayments for nearly 3 years. No thanks.

If you're subbing off a window cleaner or window cleaning company who is subbing off a building contractor, if that makes sense, then there should be no deductions.

The CIS thing only applies to sub contractors to a building contractor and is worked out on the price quoted or the price charged minus materials.

The way I read the original posting is that it is a window cleaner or window cleaning company who is subbing out and not a building contractor and therefore, there should not be any deductions unless I've got it wrong in how I read the original posting.

Also, I hate to say it but the words 'budgets are tight', does to me imply low payment for work done or loads of work for little reward. Sorry, but that's how I think it reads.

[8weekly]

You get a bit of that though Darren,

I know what you mean though but it is a harsh reality in the real world.

A lot of us on here are protected from the real world and become unattached from reality and find ourselves lucky enough to rip apart posts that a put up on her.

The building trade has gone tits up over the last few years and the original poster was only putting a few key words in his opening post where people who understand what he means will get in touch with him.

Anyway,

Its friday night, I'm working tomorrow so can't drink any where near what I'd like to drink so I'm off to bed.

Peace and love to all.

Dean.

I don't think there is much more "real world" than window cleaning. It is hard work, takes time to get rewards and you are looked down on. The upside is that if you have persistence and a little intelligence it can be very well paid.

I picked up a job from a window cleaning company that went bust last week. That can really only happen in one way. Over reliance on low margin, slow paying, high risk commercial work that leads them to think they have a basis for buying more vans and taking on more staff. Precisely the type on offer here.

[deeege]

I thought CIS deductions only apply when subbing off a building contractor.

They do.  Op will be getting deducted 20% on his invoices to the builder (or cleaning firm if its already subbed) so will therefore have to pass it on if he subs out a portion of the work.

We do a lot of this type of work, build clean, re-clean, sparkle clean. Our invoices are not subject to CIS deductions as exterior cleaning is not subject to the scheme.

As a small company the scheme is a major pain the rear, and reclaiming any overpayments or adjustments is near impossible. I've a friend who is owed over £13k in overpayments for nearly 3 years. No thanks.

If you're subbing off a window cleaner or window cleaning company who is subbing off a building contractor, if that makes sense, then there should be no deductions.

The CIS thing only applies to sub contractors to a building contractor and is worked out on the price quoted or the price charged minus materials.

The way I read the original posting is that it is a window cleaner or window cleaning company who is subbing out and not a building contractor and therefore, there should not be any deductions unless I've got it wrong in how I read the original posting.

Also, I hate to say it but the words 'budgets are tight', does to me imply low payment for work done or loads of work for little reward. Sorry, but that's how I think it reads.

Fair enough Ross, I thought the deductions would have to be passed on.

Like I said, it's not an issue for me because this type of work, for me, does fall into the CIS scheme anyway.

Archer, yes we do plenty of build cleans, I work the same area as you.

[deeege]

Ha,

Only on CIU,

This site is designed for window cleaners to interact on ideas, methods and to try and develop work for each other.

I've been in contact with the guy who posted this on here and he seems a genuine enough bloke to me who is developing his business and taking on more work which is the way forward.

Sometimes I'm amazed with what I read on here,

It is friday night though so I suppose people can be forgiven.


Dean.

I don't think anybody has said anything particularly harsh in this thread Dean?

You'll always get the odd one who responds negatively regardless but I think this time, considering the tone of the OP, the replies have been quite fair.

And to those saying they wouldn't consider working for anybody who says 'budget is tight', what's he supposed to say?? He's protecting his own margins, he's hardly going to say 'money is no object as long as the work is to a high standard' is he.

The reality with this type of work is, it's physically demanding and time consuming, that will rule out most small WC companies.

I love it though, infact we have added 2 more sites of 400 houses total just last month. With an average house being worth between £120 and £150 over the duration of the building process, it can be a nice little earner. Also, if we get a big freeze this winter like 3 years ago it won't effect us because we'll have plenty of inside build cleans to crack on with.

[Small but perfectley formed]

 i have 25 yrs experience of builders cleans generally the windows are not hard just time consuming and you would not be earning you usual window cleaning hourly rate .
As for the tax deduction these are taken off any tax you owe hmrc any any over payments refunded .

[Archer]

Deeeegee,

Could do with meeting up at some point then, as its nice to know that you do builders cleans etc, as there are times when I am asked and could do with someone to sub out to if your interested

[Diamond standard ltd]

Why do a lot of people shy away from build cleans ? There is good money to made from them.

[8weekly]

Why do a lot of people shy away from build cleans ? There is good money to made from them.

Because for a self employed wc there is more money to be made from his regular work if he has enough.

[Archer]

Diamond standard ltd



I keep away from builders cleans normally because of the time it takes, as my regular work is what I am more interested in.

[Diamond standard ltd]

Diamond standard ltd



I keep away from builders cleans normally because of the time it takes, as my regular work is what I am more interested in.

thanks for reply nice to hear people's views

[Griffus]

Thanks to everyone that has been in touch so far.

I have to admit to being a bit surprised by the amount of negative replies. If not interested no problem, but there are a few posters that seemed to miss the point.

This was only aimed at people with experience of this type of work and so they will understand the original wording.

"Budgets are tight" was just me being honest, not trying to trick anyone into anything. It is true that CIS doesn't generally apply to extrenal cleaning but as part of any deal I would most likely want to pass this on. This would be strictly above board and exactly how I have worked with subbies in the past.

One poster posted that a guy he knows is waiting for £13000 refund after three years. I wonder how this can be, what about two years ago, and last year? Did he suddenly cease trading and if so how did he get on four years ago   

Don't get me wrong, CIS can be a bit of a pain but it's not the end of the world and as long as your records are in order you'll get you refund by August at the latest (plus interest).

Payment terms will be set out from the outset and most of our Customers settle on time, any problems with us getting paid would certainly never be passed on.

Anyway, thanks again for those that have been in touch. I'll be back in touch over the next couple of days to see whether this is realistic or impossible.

Griffus

[deeege]

I wasn't lieing about my friends troubles regarding his £13k's worth of overpayments. He has a roofing company, not WC, so it's not really relevant and with everything posted on the Internet it's completely upto you whether you believe me or not. I dont know the full details just that hes been waiting (and negotiating) for over 3 years to reclaim his overpayments. I was just pointing out that CIS IS a nightmare and is not something I'd want to get involved in if possible, particularly if the scope of the works falls outside of the scheme.

Good luck with your sites anyway!

 

[Paul Coleman]

Why do a lot of people shy away from build cleans ? There is good money to made from them.

Although good money can be earned from them, I've aways found that my hourly rate is less than when I do maintenance cleans.  But when I've tried to price to compensate for that, I never get the work.  Add to that, they are much harder graft than maintenance cleans and usually a one off.  When building companies are involved, there is often a long wait for payment.  Most difficult to do cleans are followed by much easier maintenance cleans.  Builders cleans generally are not.
The last builders clean I did was last year on a church.  Even though it was relatively easy as far as uilders cleans go, I decided that I would not be doing any more.