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tom20001

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Considering changing from trad to wfp
« on: September 03, 2013, 09:00:24 pm »
guys a couple of questions on the same for a novice @ wfp

What size tank would be needed for a full days work WFP? 1 man operation.....


Would a Vw caddy 2008 model have enough room to fit tank, poles and accessories

Best type of system to go for? make , models etc

If it takes 40mins to do a house how much time would wfp be likely to take?

How much would system cost approx?


Any other info on the same you might consider relevant

thanks in advance

home6442

Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 09:21:37 pm »
Tank... between 400 and 600 litres would do for a one man operation.
Need to workout the payload on your van 1 litre of water = 1 kg of weight.
System cost.... anything from a few hundred quid to thousands.
If you take 40 mins to trad a house then you will take the same to wfp it on most domestic homes.
It might be a little quicker if you have a load of properties next to each other.
But even if you could knock off 5 mins of the time you will be no richer because of the extra expense.
Make the change because you want to be safer.

 

jonboywalton75

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 09:28:06 pm »
In my experience a 40 min house done wfp, now takes approximately 25 mins
Not exact science but that is how it's worked out for me.
I am earning a lot more per hour now than off ladders.

Sean Kelly

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2013, 09:43:33 pm »
Why don't you try a back pack to start with, see how you get on??

PoleKing

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2013, 10:35:36 pm »
If you're no quicker WFP then you've got issues!
What about Georgian 12 pane windows on sliding sashes?!
Takes 40 minutes to do one bloody window (properly)
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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bobplum

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2013, 10:53:36 pm »
i have a vw caddy
400 lt tank fitted, i use approx 250 lts a day which to me is roughly 20-25 houses
i have a hole cut out in the passengers side bulk head for a  one a clx18 and the other a slx35 and all the usually bits and bobs

all done diy, approx £500 to buy fit(youself) etc and i sometimes spend less than 10 mins on a three bed semi, regular clean

home6442

Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2013, 10:56:34 pm »
If you're no quicker WFP then you've got issues!
What about Georgian 12 pane windows on sliding sashes?!
Takes 40 minutes to do one bloody window (properly)


If your no quicker WFP then you've got issues.
Maybe the issue is that your a slow traditional cleaner most 3 bed semis take about 15 to 20 mins
wfp.
Plenty of traditional guys can clean them in this time yes there will be some windows where wfp will be quicker
but for most domestic properties there wont be a difference worth talking about.

PoleKing

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2013, 11:03:00 pm »
If you're no quicker WFP then you've got issues!
What about Georgian 12 pane windows on sliding sashes?!
Takes 40 minutes to do one bloody window (properly)


If your no quicker WFP then you've got issues.
Maybe the issue is that your a slow traditional cleaner most 3 bed semis take about 15 to 20 mins
wfp.
Plenty of traditional guys can clean them in this time yes there will be some windows where wfp will be quicker
but for most domestic properties there wont be a difference worth talking about.

Really & truely not to get into (yet another) trad vs WFP but do you mind me asking how old you are John.
I'm in my 30's and there is absolutely no way a 3 bed semi (£10) would take me 20 minutes to clean.
Perhaps with a long drive, fair bit of chat to the custy, cup of tea and plod home but not actual cleaning...
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

home6442

Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2013, 11:14:21 pm »
If you're no quicker WFP then you've got issues!
What about Georgian 12 pane windows on sliding sashes?!
Takes 40 minutes to do one bloody window (properly)


If your no quicker WFP then you've got issues.
Maybe the issue is that your a slow traditional cleaner most 3 bed semis take about 15 to 20 mins
wfp.
Plenty of traditional guys can clean them in this time yes there will be some windows where wfp will be quicker
but for most domestic properties there wont be a difference worth talking about.

Really & truely not to get into (yet another) trad vs WFP but do you mind me asking how old you are John.
I'm in my 30's and there is absolutely no way a 3 bed semi (£10) would take me 20 minutes to clean.
Perhaps with a long drive, fair bit of chat to the custy, cup of tea and plod home but not actual cleaning...


So then how long does it take you 5 mins ?

PoleKing

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2013, 11:17:57 pm »
10.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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tom20001

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #10 on: September 03, 2013, 11:23:14 pm »
10.


Darren how much would it cost approx for a system like you use ie. Thermopure and would it fit in a Vw caddy

thanks

jonboywalton75

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2013, 11:30:17 pm »
4 bed detached takes me 10 mins.
Max

PoleKing

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #12 on: September 04, 2013, 07:00:15 am »
Don't worry about that others are using bud.
Use what's best for you.
At a guess, I'd say you'd need:

ROman pure kit c.£400
Holding tank £50
Resin £150

Van tank
Pump
Reel/hose
Battery
Boiler
Pole
£less than £1k

And yeah, course it'll fit in your van bud.
You just buy gear to suit.
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #13 on: September 04, 2013, 07:32:27 am »
You should be doing 4 week 3 bed semis in 5 - 7 mins max . With wfp . With a conny another 3 mins . When I was trad 10  - 12 minutes .

steven ainger

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #14 on: September 04, 2013, 07:39:03 am »
You should be doing 4 week 3 bed semis in 5 - 7 mins max . With wfp . With a conny another 3 mins . When I was trad 10  - 12 minutes .

So your saying that you average 10, 3 bed semis per hour ??

PoleKing

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2013, 08:29:46 am »
Without moving the van, that's certainly do-able
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

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home6442

Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #16 on: September 04, 2013, 09:28:21 am »
Certainly do-able and laughable but then if it wasn't for these splash and dash guys where
would new starts get the work from in saturated areas.
80% of my work came from guys like this so I wont be complaining.

dave0123

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Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #17 on: September 04, 2013, 09:44:04 am »
i don't see how you can do a 3 bed semi in 5-7 mins with cleaning all the glass frames and sills also? 15 mins is more like it on a 3 bed semi with no bays with unpacking and packing up
Dave.

home6442

Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #18 on: September 04, 2013, 10:04:29 am »
i don't see how you can do a 3 bed semi in 5-7 mins with cleaning all the glass frames and sills also? 15 mins is more like it on a 3 bed semi with no bays with unpacking and packing up



Dave,
It can be done I know because I have seen it.
Not saying the windows where clean but I have seen them cleaned in that sort of time.
Works o.k. until a bit of competition comes along.

dave f

Re: Considering changing from trad to wfp
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2013, 04:25:17 pm »
dont consider it do it you wont look back and you will wonder why you dint do it sooner.its not all plain sailing their will be ups and downs like in any new venture but you will soon learn good luck ;D