[LWC]

Havent had chance to read through all posts yet, but i am interested. Ideally all i want is it to be available on android, so im not doing everything when i get home.

Also my other concern is, i loved WCP its all i use and it has been fantastic wont lie, but they could only take it so far. Maybe this was because of the one off payment and not an on going thing for them. Its such a shame they didnt carry on. What will make you different to carry on devoloping?

Auto invoicing after a job is complete would be great to, creating an invoice on WCP isnt that much of a hassle then emailing separately can become tiresome if you have about 5 to do!

Let me know, im in (depending on cost to  )

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Hi LWC,

Yep - Android and iOS apps are definitely on the list. I know a lot of window cleaners use printed job sheets, and I'd cater for that of course, but for the more mobile app oriented, it seems to me it would be great if you could tick off jobs, mark people as paid, sign up new customers etc while out and about. So yep - definitely on the list, might not be something I get to in version 1, but if there's enough take up I'll definitely do it. Having an app in the app stores would also help get the word out = win-win

And yep, that's what I keep hearing. WCP sets the bar but a) it's not web based and b) it hasn't moved forward in about 3 years now. Likely reasons for it not having moved forward are probably because (as you say) the one off payment doesn't make ongoing development worthwhile, and as I emphasised to Paul (p1w1) earlier in the thread - desktop apps are notoriously hard to keep updated, because everyone ends up with a different version running on their machine and upgrades (where there's a database involved) are tricky to get right.

Reason this would be different is being a developer, I only have to cover my time here. I don't need to hire a developer to make (customer led) improvements. As long as there's some income coming in I'll just divy that by my hourly rate and plough it back into improving the app rather than chasing freelance work

Super cheesy as this sounds, people give software development purpose for me - so if people are into this thing (and it's paying the bills), I'll be into it!

Anyway, waffling big time here!

Auto invoicing is an excellent (and not yet suggested) feature idea - please post it on the ideas forum:

http://cleanerplanner.uservoice.com

By voting or posting on there you'll automatically get access to the beta on a free trial basis when it's ready

Cost - haven't figured that out yet, and I'll probably take input from the beta testers on it - but it will be competitive and realistic.

[Carl@Cwc]

how many hours would you work on it if say 50 people bought into it at say £10 pcm
i know if its the dogs danglies you will get loads and loads more than that.

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Hi Carl,

I guess that'd be good for about 2 days a month, but I'd probably end up working on it more than that, especially in the early days. Either way I work fast, so you'd see a lot of bang for buck even for that.

Truth be told, if I am going to make this thing the dogs danglies as you say, I'd like to think there might be a wee bit (just a wee bit) more in the pot per month, especially if it's being developed ongoing. I'd also probably look to reward loyalty - e.g. discounts for paying 3, 6 or 12 months upfront (once you know you like it!)

I know you're comparing with aworka, but - fine as it is (and it's not like I've got anything to compete yet!) - it is a somewhat generic system, catering to "everyone from web designers to gardners", and therefore could never really do the ful business for any one specific market - i.e. window cleaners.

I think the attention to detail and window cleaner specific feedback I'll put into this should be worth a bit more, but...

To be honest I'll probably look to take feedback from you guys during the beta! Perhaps see what you think of it first, then see what it's worth to you...

But hey, going back to your original point, in the bigger picture of things, if this could support me full time, and if there was stuff to do on it that would add value to it and make users happy (and make it more appealing to more people and therefore make it grow), I'd gladly work on it full time - ongoing.

[Carl@Cwc]

so a freelance designer is on £250 a day eh!!!    lol   pulling your leg m8

you will get out of this exactly what you put in m8 im sure u know

i love the idea of adding the extras to keep track of what you have done and also to use as a mailshot/call to them next year to secure repeats. with reminder system.

would be cool to have the ability to see 2 rounds on 1 planner aswell with differnt ids/colours etc etc.
so i can print what they are doing and myself on different sheets.
my day is one offs etc etc etc and appointments so would be cool to be able plan in advance . say a fascia and gutter cleaned next monday , and patio clean and 4 appointments at 5.30,6.30 etc etc

as do i like the idea of when adding a new custie to the system u could specify where it came from: canvass,leaflet,recomendation, telesales, walk up, and a page where it shows the values of each type of new custie however gained.

i really think as i mentioned that integrating with text local would be ace and a button to text the whole lot u tick from the planner.

the expenses page could be clearly set out.
wages,diesel,insurances,sundries.marketing etc etc

would also be nice to see all info on 4 wkly customers values,6 weekly values , 8 weekly values.

for me the drag and drop up and down a day is absolute important.

i actually mailed chris at aworka about this today as i couldnt work out how my monthly value added up.

[LWC]

Look forward to seeing this Rob. Best of luck. Any idea how if possible to transfer old customers into new database? Thats another fear of mine is moving it all over.

[dave0123]

i actually mailed chris at aworka about this today as i couldnt work out how my monthly value added up

how is it worked out on aworka? was wondering myself

[Carl@Cwc]

i actually mailed chris at aworka about this today as i couldnt work out how my monthly value added up

how is it worked out on aworka? was wondering myself

im still unsure myself tbh  lol
u cannot seperate 4/8 wkly jobs to see there value so im stuffed other than going through pages and pages to see .

aworka is so cool at times but pes me off big time at others

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Lol - cheers Carl. To be honest rates are all over the place. Everyone's a blimming web designer these days so it's a tricky market, but what I do is a bit more business / productivity / problem solving oriented, so I tend to do OK. No two ways about it though, I'd be making a loss on this for a while, but I've taken punts on much stupider things

So yeah, top notch ideas all - I know it's a bit of a faff but any chance you could pop these on the feature wishlist? No worries if you don't get a chance, I'll round everything up from the forums at some point.

http://cleanerplanner.uservoice.com

So how responsive do you find aworka - both to support and new feature requests? Checked them out on the wayback machine and their sales website hasn't changed in a couple of years - has the app?

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Thanks LWC.

Did you pop a vote or idea on the wishlist so I've got your email? Want to keep you in the loop when the beta's ready to go.

http://cleanerplanner.uservoice.com

Import from other products (aworka / George / WCP) will be a priority (assuming it's possible - need to investigate) as will bringing in your existing customer and job references so there's no nightmare tallying things up with your bank statement

[LWC]

Erm i did put idea up, not sure i did it right, i entered email, anyway, its matt@ladderless-window-cleaner.co.uk

Thanks

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Ah yes, gotcha thanks Matt - sorry, lots of ideas to keep track of, but that's a good thing

[LWC]

Updates  lol

[dave0123]

has he given up alleady  javascript:replaceText(' ', document.postmodify.message);

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

I'm still here 

Made a start yesterday. Will keep you all updated over the coming weeks via email.

Anyone who didn't sign up for the beta but fancies it - please drop me an email: rob@cleanerplanner.com

[PAUL ERITH]

Hi

I personally think the program needs to have two levels of subscription basic & pro

The pro version would have

bulk text & emails

Rams file attachment

Customisable columns in the job section

Day planner that looks like a diary with the time of day on the left so you know when you are running late and need to speed up

Plus a off line tablet version that can sync up when you have a web connection



Paul

[Rob @ Cleaner Planner]

Noted - thanks Paul.

Would you be interested in trying out (and feeding back on) a beta version when it's ready? I'm shooting for end of October.

If so please pop me an email: rob@cleanerplanner.com

[sunshine windows]

Some software wired through pumps and controllers, monitoring water output. So you can see how long each job takes, location of the vehicle to make sure your employees aren't doing any rogue jobs.

It would also allow you to see how much money each tank or litre of pure water is making you. (You get the general idea).

If I could have all this implemented into round software then I'd be in, otherwise I'm quite happy with excel spreadsheets.

[dave0123]

Some software wired through pumps and controllers, monitoring water output. So you can see how long each job takes, location of the vehicle to make sure your employees aren't doing any rogue jobs.

It would also allow you to see how much money each tank or litre of pure water is making you. (You get the general idea).

If I could have all this implemented into round software then I'd be in, otherwise I'm quite happy with excel spreadsheets.

lol i don't see how that would be possible to be honest to link software to your pump, however Rob may be able to to do something with some sort of GPS tracker that you can buy from the likes of maplins linked to his software? i dont know.

[p1w1]

Some software wired through pumps and controllers, monitoring water output. So you can see how long each job takes, location of the vehicle to make sure your employees aren't doing any rogue jobs.

It would also allow you to see how much money each tank or litre of pure water is making you. (You get the general idea).

If I could have all this implemented into round software then I'd be in, otherwise I'm quite happy with excel spreadsheets.

Think you'll be sticking to your spread sheets then.
.on the other hand perhaps you could have a way you could enter how long the job takes and how much water that job takes so when you are scheduling work for that day every job you select there would be a seperate column stating how long all the selected jobs should take and how much water will be needed, wcp can provide the time it takes but not the amount of water needed.