[Whizz-Bizz]

Has anyone got any theories as to why there are very few canvassers in this industry ? (3.2.1. cue M.K+W.W)

[windiewasher]

Erm because anyone can do it?
Can do it better yourself?

[roundbuilder]

Coz your all full of poope to put it bluntly and no one ever lasts at it including myself!.
all come and go! Last a few months then get a bad rep for ripping people off/getting rubbish work/not replacing dropouts etc the list goes on...then you get canvassers that dont even clinch the deal like you which i cant understand as thats what the window cleaner wants lots of fresh work to go out and clean.
Also many find why trust a complete stranger to be in charge of gaining customers as from a personal view if someone paid me £1200 id want to get there work asap and move onto the next and so on which would mean canvassing a load of crap rented/councal houses etc
Want it done then do it yourself or at least find your own canvasser who works on the wc terms and not there own.

Thats my theory anyway.

[Whizz-Bizz]

I agree anyone can do it, walk up a drive and ring the bell, but lets talk with the guys that have alot of customers already. Why do they think theres not many. Theres obviously a high demand with those guys for a canvasser. I come on here fairly regularly and every week canvasser wanted posted. I go where they put me once they get past the 2nd clean my retention rates are very high if they follow my filtering procedure. I actually feel like you 2 just want to monopolise anything and everything in regards to canvassing on this forum. Your actually cock blocking/putting other people off from posting as they fear your wraths. Just because someone shouts the loudest doesnt make them the best       

[Nathanael Jones]

Can do it better yourself?

+1

Canvassing is the quickest way to get work, but often not the best.
Despite being in the same business, the way a canvasser views a house may be completely different to me and no matter how well its been discussed in advance there will always be the occasional pricing issue, parking issue, "too awkward to be worth bothering with" issue.

On top of those basic problems you have the high drop off rate from canvassed work.

If you need to build a round fast, a canvassing team might be the way to go - - if you're just adding to an existing round, doing your own canvassing, or advertising with flyers, website, radio ads etc might be more cost effective & less hassle in the long run,..

[Crystal-clear]

I think its mainly cos its too hard to satisfy the window cleaner so most can't hack it, window cleaner only wants regular means sometimes canvassers need to replace replace or argue , I think the main reason why they disappear is cos they find them selfs in a false econemy where they have to constantly go out to top up the last job, offer refunds or even worse just turn there phones off and do a runner . But you have survived for 5 years been a roller coaster but its pretty amazing I think your edge is the financial point you offer so people defo get there money back. I think also window cleaners appreciate your honesty you don't fill em full of "these customers are perfect crap" you tell em strait look you will get £700 then £500 after that Its up to you and its going to be hard work, so you give them realistic expectations , where as others in the past where feeding them a dream when that dream didn't happen as promised they stop using them

so funny I feel your edge is purely that you don't bull poop anyone I think that's the reason why you havnt really been slated , some people I'm sure might not have felt your services were right for them but we are yet to get a bad review from a window cleaning canvasser that's quite remarkable as on this forum people who used you are far from shy and will say what they got to say hehe

[paul ette]

wish someone would canvass for me but cant find a local person that can be bothered, advertised it on gumtree and got 0 replies, to many people too comfortable on the dole

[roundbuilder]

I agree anyone can do it, walk up a drive and ring the bell, but lets talk with the guys that have alot of customers already. Why do they think theres not many. Theres obviously a high demand with those guys for a canvasser. I come on here fairly regularly and every week canvasser wanted posted. I go where they put me once they get past the 2nd clean my retention rates are very high if they follow my filtering procedure. I actually feel like you 2 just want to monopolise anything and everything in regards to canvassing on this forum. Your actually cock blocking/putting other people off from posting as they fear your wraths. Just because someone shouts the loudest doesnt make them the best       

No mate i gave you my thoery which you asked for in your first post on this thread why there are so few canvassers. To be fair you being 1 of the few canvassers out there is a good thing right as people will have to use you.
People in need of customers obviously have time on there hands hence why so many doing there own canvassing, just the way it is.

If your busy up untill november then your doing something right hey so fair play.

[roundbuilder]

I think its mainly cos its too hard to satisfy the window cleaner so most can't hack it, window cleaner only wants regular means sometimes canvassers need to replace replace or argue , I think the main reason why they disappear is cos they find them selfs in a false econemy where they have to constantly go out to top up the last job, offer refunds or even worse just turn there phones off and do a runner . But you have survived for 5 years been a roller coaster but its pretty amazing I think your edge is the financial point you offer so people defo get there money back. I think also window cleaners appreciate your honesty you don't fill em full of "these customers are perfect crap" you tell em strait look you will get £700 then £500 after that Its up to you and its going to be hard work, so you give them realistic expectations , where as others in the past where feeding them a dream when that dream didn't happen as promised they stop using them

so funny I feel your edge is purely that you don't bull poop anyone I think that's the reason why you havnt really been slated , some people I'm sure might not have felt your services were right for them but we are yet to get a bad review from a window cleaning canvasser that's quite remarkable as on this forum people who used you are far from shy and will say what they got to say hehe

Yes but we havnt had any positive feedback either in all fairness? If he has canvassed for 50 guys and is booked up untill november then he would have recomendations coming out of he's ears. That is also quite remarkable.

[Whizz-Bizz]

I do have recommendations coming out my ears but they don't want drama of millions of calls via forums I have posted contact details of people on here a few times. Anyone that wants refs can have them off the last 5 jobs I've been on not a problem.
Unfortunately cleaners are no saints either and rarely accept there own failings here's a few classics I've had
One guy would only clean them if customer in and refused to work a weekend to try and ensure this is possible. He found himself driving to and from jobs 4-5 times a day never in so customer didn't get done on the day he said would attend via text then wondered why they cancelled saying we want a reliable guy.
Here's another he's happily cleaning and another guy turned up on patch he rung stating I do not clean on same street as other people so refund this job.
My works brilliant and no one ever complains normally so call goes out to customer by me and turns out he missed 2 windows and just grunted at customer when told.
I've had guys turn up weeks late after telling them we a due next week, no notification nothing then wonder why people get a bit hissy.
They had a mattress in garden so not doing.
I've had cleaners put there ladders in prize winning rose bushes and again can't see why they cancel.
I've had guys refusing to clean any ethnic groups.
I've had drunks turn up to do work.
You also get excellent cleaners but terrible admin people that simply miss jobs off the sheet in one case he missed over 20 people and that's massive.
So I think personally in my experience things can always be better both ends. In some cases it simply a case of the guys face just don't fit.
Mick just because setting up a canvassing crew didn't work for you don't be too surprised if someone does actually make a go off it.

[Crystal-clear]

I think its mainly cos its too hard to satisfy the window cleaner so most can't hack it, window cleaner only wants regular means sometimes canvassers need to replace replace or argue , I think the main reason why they disappear is cos they find them selfs in a false econemy where they have to constantly go out to top up the last job, offer refunds or even worse just turn there phones off and do a runner . But you have survived for 5 years been a roller coaster but its pretty amazing I think your edge is the financial point you offer so people defo get there money back. I think also window cleaners appreciate your honesty you don't fill em full of "these customers are perfect crap" you tell em strait look you will get £700 then £500 after that Its up to you and its going to be hard work, so you give them realistic expectations , where as others in the past where feeding them a dream when that dream didn't happen as promised they stop using them

so funny I feel your edge is purely that you don't bull poop anyone I think that's the reason why you havnt really been slated , some people I'm sure might not have felt your services were right for them but we are yet to get a bad review from a window cleaning canvasser that's quite remarkable as on this forum people who used you are far from shy and will say what they got to say hehe

Yes but we havnt had any positive feedback either in all fairness? If he has canvassed for 50 guys and is booked up untill november then he would have recomendations coming out of he's ears. That is also quite remarkable.

Good point but we have to take that as a good sign I guess you name every canvassing team out there and there is always a horror story to tell!

Mark welcomes everyone to tell the truth how they felt about how there £1200 spent turned out for them he gives people names and numbers of past clients , he knows I'm brutally honest and I'm unable to lie one of his clients last year rang me for some feedback, he was expecting 90% stick rate work for life. I brought him strait to reality and said how stick rates work. Told him its a mixture of hard work etc etc he still booked him .end of the day if you can knock your self do it but if you struggle , don't like it, only get 2 leads a night then maybe look at mark, he will get you 80-120 interested people within a short period . And garentee £1200 back provided they follow his procedure it is what it is end of the day it will never be for you mick as you have no problems knocking . Also me too will be knocking myself again as marks too busy to do me mates rates

[roundbuilder]

was simply saying with the 50 guys you have done work for and the waiting list untill november im surprised your not building a great positive name for yourself?.

As for me not being able to set up a canvassing crew lol What a joke.
I have 2 good canvassers plus myself and a few more that do it as and when they can and after much thought the only person i have decided to roundbuild for is myself which is a verey wise decision.
Over the next month I have 6 days of work to build for my stepdad to be full of work and then after im going to employ someone to do my round so i can put my all into my third and final round.

[Whizz-Bizz]

I don't doubt your knocking skills just you made a big song and dance about global domination then drop off a hat yea about that not doing it now. Now yet again I've got a post up and all I'm reading is how amazing you are. Top of thread is wanting to know why is there no canvassers. So Mick please enlighten me , me old mucked where are they all ?

[roundbuilder]

I don't doubt your knocking skills just you made a big song and dance about global domination then drop off a hat yea about that not doing it now. Now yet again I've got a post up and all I'm reading is how amazing you are. Top of thread is wanting to know why is there no canvassers. So Mick please enlighten me , me old mucked where are they all ?

I already answered with my theory


Coz your all full of poope to put it bluntly and no one ever lasts at it including myself!.
all come and go! Last a few months then get a bad rep for ripping people off/getting rubbish work/not replacing dropouts etc the list goes on...then you get canvassers that dont even clinch the deal like you which i cant understand as thats what the window cleaner wants lots of fresh work to go out and clean.
Also many find why trust a complete stranger to be in charge of gaining customers as from a personal view if someone paid me £1200 id want to get there work asap and move onto the next and so on which would mean canvassing a load of crap rented/councal houses etc
Want it done then do it yourself or at least find your own canvasser who works on the wc terms and not there own.

Thats my theory anyway.

[roundbuilder]

I don't doubt your knocking skills just you made a big song and dance about global domination then drop off a hat yea about that not doing it now. Now yet again I've got a post up and all I'm reading is how amazing you are. Top of thread is wanting to know why is there no canvassers. So Mick please enlighten me , me old mucked where are they all ?

Lol how was me wanting to canvass for a few people once a week within 60 miles global domination. Honestly mate you have no idea.

[andy east sussex]

it may seem a silly question is it just case of walking to door and just saying would you like a window cleaner ? also how does it stand against door to door salesmen are those doors a no go for trouble ?

[WGB]

was simply saying with the 50 guys you have done work for and the waiting list untill november im surprised your not building a great positive name for yourself?.

As for me not being able to set up a canvassing crew lol What a joke.
I have 2 good canvassers plus myself and a few more that do it as and when they can and after much thought the only person i have decided to roundbuild for is myself which is a verey wise decision.
Over the next month I have 6 days of work to build for my stepdad to be full of work and then after im going to employ someone to do my round so i can put my all into my third and final round.

Hi Mick, when you say ur going to employ someone so you can put your all into third round, are you going to canvass durning the day? or durning evening too? I am thinking of doing exactly the same to fill my books on my first  round in quickest possible way, woud be interested to know which way your going to go about it. Wayne

[roundbuilder]

was simply saying with the 50 guys you have done work for and the waiting list untill november im surprised your not building a great positive name for yourself?.

As for me not being able to set up a canvassing crew lol What a joke.
I have 2 good canvassers plus myself and a few more that do it as and when they can and after much thought the only person i have decided to roundbuild for is myself which is a verey wise decision.
Over the next month I have 6 days of work to build for my stepdad to be full of work and then after im going to employ someone to do my round so i can put my all into my third and final round.

Hi Mick, when you say ur going to employ someone so you can put your all into third round, are you going to canvass durning the day? or durning evening too? I am thinking of doing exactly the same to fill my books on my first  round in quickest possible way, woud be interested to know which way your going to go about it. Wayne

Hi wayne, a mixture of day and evening canvassing. Im aiming for higher end houses that wont take overly long to clean where can get average £40/50 a house. Will mainly be targetting bigger houses that get recently sold. The best way to build a round to its full potential is to put your all into it and by cleaning all day everyday its hard to motivate to your full potential if you know what i mean. ill be going along rich roads in the day making note of dirty frames and sold boards and in the eve ill get canvassers to canvass the whole street getting the odds and sods whilst i concerntrate on my targeted dirty ones.
This is just my starter plan on next round will see how it goes.
Just dont lose focus wayne and you will be ok.

[colin bird]

was simply saying with the 50 guys you have done work for and the waiting list untill november im surprised your not building a great positive name for yourself?.

As for me not being able to set up a canvassing crew lol What a joke.
I have 2 good canvassers plus myself and a few more that do it as and when they can and after much thought the only person i have decided to roundbuild for is myself which is a verey wise decision.
Over the next month I have 6 days of work to build for my stepdad to be full of work and then after im going to employ someone to do my round so i can put my all into my third and final round.

[colin bird]

was simply saying with the 50 guys you have done work for and the waiting list untill november im surprised your not building a great positive name for yourself?.

As for me not being able to set up a canvassing crew lol What a joke.
I have 2 good canvassers plus myself and a few more that do it as and when they can and after much thought the only person i have decided to roundbuild for is myself which is a verey wise decision.
Over the next month I have 6 days of work to build for my stepdad to be full of work and then after im going to employ someone to do my round so i can put my all into my third and final round. Mick don't forget the canvassing we discussed for me in sept will give you a call next week to arrange for me coming to see you