[ben M]

Cozy,

If you are clearly stating that I have telephoned you or emailed you, then please prove it, I have NEVER telephoned you or emailed you in my life.

I also believe that you ARE also Ben m.

I don't care for one minute if anyone takes me seriously, obviously you find it difficult to understand that someone who has started with absolutely nothing and struggled can achieve a decent business.

Just to let you know how easy it is to pick work up without doing any canvassing at all, and yes I will big myself up on this, I have picked up just over £45k worth of work this month

Not bad for a Mong is it, that has a caravan

oh no Archer please, i am not German, I am French, much better  

[DG Cleaning]

45k and living in a caravan too.
Best of all gypos don't have many outgoings either.
Sorry Archer couldn't resist

[Dave Willis]

Archer, you have totally contradicted yourself. You started with nothing and built up a business (same as all of us on here). You did this without an apprenticeship. Therefore you are living proof that an apprenticeship is not required to run a successful window cleaning business.

[roundbuilder]

I understand where archer is coming from and believe the word apprentice has been used out of context instead of a trainee.
If i wanted a manager or supervisor so to speak to run my business for me or even go out and work in a different van on his own all day then to have him know about my round as much as i know would take ages so starting someone as a trainee and if there good keeping them on and building round 2 with them is a time consuming yet time beneficial business step to take if wanting to grow properly where everything goes how you want it.

Window cleaning apprenticeship???  A defo no for me.

[DG Cleaning]

"I don't live in a caravan, I have a static caravan that I bought for me and my family."

Gotta love that one Archer

[MWC]

Ben M,

Why are you trying to wind ARCHER up? The last time you were crying to the mods and acting like a baby

[ben M]

Ben M,

Why are you trying to wind ARCHER up? The last time you were crying to the mods and acting like a baby

lol. I don't wind him up .
Anyway How can you judge on this thread? half of the posts have been deleted
I wasn't crying like a baby, just reported him for his bad behaviour.
Archer can be a lovely guy when he wants, like me 

[wfp master]

Is he phoning people on here again.?
What a banger.

[DG Cleaning]

Is he phoning people on here again.?
What a banger.

Don't think so he was a bit wound up but not like last time.
So he's deleted his posts.
Just a healthy debate dont think Archer means any harm.

[wfp master]

Is he phoning people on here again.?
What a banger.

Don't think so he was a bit wound up but not like last time.
So he's deleted his posts.
Just a healthy debate dont think Archer means any harm.

ah ok just when I seen the posts above.

[g.brookes]

its great that you all have such strong opinions regarding the validity of the apprenticeship but thats not the point of the topic.  i have already made my decision with an open mind and I was asking for some advice from others who have gone down this route , rather than 30 different versions of 'its waste of time' .
I appreciate you can say what you want etc but I do actually really want some info and you lot highjacking the thread may put off people with genuine responses to my thread.  So I guess i'll have to look elsewhere

[home6442]

You say your looking for genuine responses to your thread but if somebody says its a
waste of time then they are not giving not a genuine response.
The fact is if you want to pay somebody less money under the guise of a window cleaning apprenticeship
then go for it.
Us sensible types will take somebody on train them up and once they are up to speed pay the going rate.
Depending on the level of work required it might take one week or a month and to be honest if I had
somebody working for me who couldn't clean a window after a month then they wouldn't be working for
me.
Yes there are a number of extra skills that you will pick up with time [dealing with customers and so on]
but these wont effect output so don't warrant less pay or the guise of an apprenticeship.
If you want to find out ways of paying less than the going rate then yes do look elsewhere.

[C o z y]

That needed saying. Top answer. Hope it's not upset you Mr Brookes. If it has, I'm sure you'll get over it. Good luck finding the right candidate for this exciting new trade apprenticeship. 

[DG Cleaning]

You say your looking for genuine responses to your thread but if somebody says its a
waste of time then they are not giving not a genuine response.
The fact is if you want to pay somebody less money under the guise of a window cleaning apprenticeship
then go for it.
Us sensible types will take somebody on train them up and once they are up to speed pay the going rate.
Depending on the level of work required it might take one week or a month and to be honest if I had
somebody working for me who couldn't clean a window after a month then they wouldn't be working for
me.
Yes there are a number of extra skills that you will pick up with time [dealing with customers and so on]
but these wont effect output so don't warrant less pay or the guise of an apprenticeship.
If you want to find out ways of paying less than the going rate then yes do look elsewhere.

+1 well said

[C o z y]

Just one more point. If anyone is going to "train" these lucky apprentices, who trained the trainers? How long did that take, and what certificate does the brand new highly qualified window cleaner get in their hand when they complete this 3 year course?

[jimiwindows]

The government give you £3500 a year to take on a apprentice. If you pay them £10.000 a year thay dont have to pay tax thats £190 a week tax free and the £10.000 you pay them comes off your tax bill happy days im going for it.

[wfp master]

Q 1.is there any time served window cleaners on here?
 2.what college did you do you apprenticeship at.?
 3.how long was the apprenticeship.?
 4.are you now a time served window cleaner with qualifications after doing the apprenticeship.?
 
A 1. NO
 2. NONE DO AN APPRENTICESHIP.
 3.THERE IS NO APPRENTICESHIP FOR WINDOW CLEANING.
 4.NO SUCH THING AS TIME SERVED WINDOW CLEANER.

do you get it there is no such thing.
just get some one to work for you. no need to call them my apprentice.
its only window cleaning. hope that helps 

[g.brookes]

well actually none of those responses helped!
 If you have to make me repeat myself, i was not asking does anyone think an apprenticeship is a good idea, which is why the 'waste of time replies' are of no use to me.  As i also said in the last post I have already made up my mind.  if you are interested in debating the values or even the existence of a window cleaning apprentice then by all means set up another thread, as happens every few months and repeat the same opinions over and over again.
I was hoping to hear off people that have experience in hiring a window cleaning apprentice to ask them some technical questions.

[C o z y]

There is no apprenticeship in window cleaning mate. What could you ask someone about hiring one, or what the results of their training was if there was never an apprenticeship in the first place??

You asked a question about an apprenticeship in window cleaning. Hrere's the latest, there isn't one.

Can't wait to see if anyone answers that actually claim to have trained an apprentice in window cleaning. It could be a while until you find someone whos done it, but enjoy the wait.

Have your technical questions ready for when they do turn up on here though mate. Don't want to miss anything do ya? 

[wfp master]

you cant hire something that does not exist.