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Ian101

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Employers look away.
« on: August 03, 2013, 10:08:18 am »
Mates daughter just moved house and seen a local window cleaner working away so says how much for mine?

Reply from windie "10 quid but if you dont tell me boss and pay me cash I will do it for £6"

Free enterprise maybe or theft ?

Cant say who it was but Richard i sparkle it wasnt one of yours  ;D

formb

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2013, 10:15:36 am »
Theft.

No question.

ben M

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Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2013, 10:19:04 am »
we need name  ;D

formb

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #3 on: August 03, 2013, 10:21:04 am »
Quote from: Ian101
Cant say who it was

Why not? This chancer will be caught eventually.

formb

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2013, 11:14:29 am »
Not a moderator in sight  ::)roll

steven842

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2013, 11:50:56 am »
Some really good deals there .....!  Ill give you my credit card details and you give me nothing sounds fair uhhh?


Sake the employee simple as tat

Dean Taberner

  • Posts: 4164
Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2013, 11:53:09 am »
It is a criminal offence,

Its a form of deception.
Operations manager at J.V Price Ltd

http://www.thepricegroup.co.uk

formb

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #7 on: August 03, 2013, 11:54:13 am »
Quote from: Dean Taberner
It is a criminal offence,

Its a form of deception.

Theft.

Throw any jargon you like at it, it's theft. This guy is being paid to clean windows for his employer, during this time he is stealing customers for himself and pocketing the money. Theft.

What I don't get is; why not just pocket the £10?

Dean Taberner

  • Posts: 4164
Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #8 on: August 03, 2013, 11:57:23 am »
Yes totally agree.
Operations manager at J.V Price Ltd

http://www.thepricegroup.co.uk

steven842

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #9 on: August 03, 2013, 11:58:08 am »
In scots law it's not theft till the act has been committed

however if a verbal agreement is made between parties and said employee commits the act in working hours then there is a stackable offence

If the customer has an agreement and the employee solicits a cheaper option then in my book that's called business (market forces)

Sack him and be done with him

formb

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 12:11:13 pm »
Quote from: steven842
If the customer has an agreement and the employee solicits a cheaper option then in my book that's called business (market forces)

Nonsense. Part of a window cleaning employee's job description is to solicit new customers for the employer. Perhaps IF the employee agreed to come back at a later date and 'sold' the customer a service from himself as opposed to the employer that could be viewed as business.

It is theft.

steven842

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 12:16:40 pm »
It's business matey ! If you were cleaning the local shop and I came along there after and offered a cheaper price then that again is clearly business no different to any other business !

Tbh it all depends how the employees contract is written if it clearly states part of his job is to solicit for the employer then he's broken the contract and there fore sack able
It's not theft maybe in your eye but in the eyes of a law scots of English it's breach of contract if there's even an employment contract in place .

Kindest

AuRavelling79

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Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #12 on: August 03, 2013, 12:21:57 pm »
In scots law it's not theft till the act has been committed

however if a verbal agreement is made between parties and said employee commits the act in working hours then there is a stackable offence.

If the customer has an agreement and the employee solicits a cheaper option then in my book that's called business (market forces)

Sack him and be done with him

A stackable offence eh? It's just one thing on top of another with this guy!
It's a game of three halves!

C o z y

  • Posts: 7775
Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #13 on: August 03, 2013, 12:23:01 pm »
Nee nar nee nar nee nar spelling police!!! ;D

Malc, behave!  ;D
No still don't understand, I must be thick

steven842

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #14 on: August 03, 2013, 12:23:32 pm »
Pmsl ..... Bloody ipad !

Reason I don't employ and only sub contract .... ;-£

C o z y

  • Posts: 7775
Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2013, 12:24:33 pm »
What's that? 

;-£
No still don't understand, I must be thick

steven842

Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2013, 12:32:29 pm »
Omg is this about my ipad and corrective spelling or the fact I stated a total valid point

That  some clique folk on here with 2000 posts plus can't handle coming from a guy with only 60odd posts (I'm to busy getting national contracts and f***ing the small guy over Pmsl)

Back to the point guys simple fact is unless this employee has a contract stating that he can't solicit customers then the employer can't do poop !!!

AuRavelling79

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Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2013, 12:35:25 pm »
Omg is this about my ipad and corrective spelling or the fact I stated a total valid point

That  some clique folk on here with 2000 posts plus can't handle coming from a guy with only 60odd posts (I'm to busy getting national contracts and f***ing the small guy over Pmsl)

Back to the point guys simple fact is unless this employee has a contract stating that he can't solicit customers then the employer can't do poop !!!

You've upset him now Chris P Bacon, he's gone walkabout!  :'(  :)
It's a game of three halves!

C o z y

  • Posts: 7775
Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2013, 12:37:24 pm »
OOOH, I hit a nerve. I wasn't picking on you mate, I was making light of your Ipad probs  ;D

OK, I can't delete over 2000 posts, but I'll ask a mod to do it for me if you feel intimidated by post counts. I work with my wife, she does downs and I do ups. So we don't do nationals. I'm old by most peoples standards, and I only pick fights on here with mongs and willy wavers.
You don't come up on my radar as either, so I'm not having a pop at you. Calm down, stop looking for enemies hiding around every corner, and just watch what other members have to say about the subject eh?

 ;D ;D ;D etc
No still don't understand, I must be thick

C o z y

  • Posts: 7775
Re: Employers look away.
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2013, 12:39:04 pm »
Must have been summat I said  ???

Oh well.
No still don't understand, I must be thick