[CleanClear]

  later -when you meet them and see they are just about 5foot 6  and not 6 foot as they told me ,indicates a liar, its a small detail but believe me best dont get involved if they are loud braggers and/or liars

Are we talking dating sites here or looking for employees ?

[Frankybadboy]

can we get back to employing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Smudger]

Hi all,
I am new to window cleaning but do have a wheelie bin cleaning business as well.
The thing I don't get from reading a lot of back posts is how much people think a second employee/van on the road should make them.
Surely if you pay someone roughly £10 an hour to clean windows for you(which is what I do), and they clean around £25 an hour worth of work(which is what they do), that equates to £15 an hour  profit every hour they work (give or take a bit). I have read on here that people cant be bothered putting someone on if they are not making them in excess of £500 a week or so. Surely in this industry earning another £250 or so a week(12,000)a year will make a massive difference to their income at the end of the year, especially considering you aren't the one doing the actual work.
Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.

From your own earlier post which lead to our replies. I agree that an employee needs to be earning/turnover at least £30 p/h

Mick yes on the glass per minute is different from hourly turnover but that's the rub we do very little chit chat, cuppa tea's etc

Working two man is an art on average we do 35 cleans and found that simply by co- ordinating better when collecting,reeling in, etc..  We saved 3 minutes per job times that by 35 equals 105 mins. That's over an hour and a half saved every day so we either finish earlier or got room for another 8 cleans or a conny roof or 2 or house valet etc...

Darran

[Stephen.C]

can we get back to employing zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Thanks for your help Frank.

[Smudger]

Yes let's...

The first man is the hardest step its part leap of faith, worry about others depending on you, worry about moving the biz forward, managing with less cash for a short period.

You need to make the step just before you can't manage all the work so you have a little breathing space to train the new employee for the first couple of weeks things will be maxed out until they get upto speed and learn the rounds but then your days should be shorter (on the glass) so you can get out canvassing to generate more work to then move onto another employee is easier as you already have ( hopefully ) a fully trained and decent staff member who can do a days work solo while you train the new guy - again you may take a small step back in your pocket but only in terms of where you have reached which should be well above where you had been solo.

Don't expect to get it right first time  - and I DON'T recommend getting family involved

HTH

Darran

[Joey Eastwood]

When i used to work for a company, i started 3years ago and got the job thru a friend. He took me on as self employed and let me get on with it, that way he had no extra hassle and i sorted out insurance tax etc on my own, he had no extra stress and didn't have to worry about being messed about training me for me to just leave as i had to sort it out off my own back basically, if that helps

[p1w1]

if you was using all his equipment etc then what he was doing was wrong and would have been stopped if the tax man had of found out

[Joey Eastwood]

Nope. My own ladders and kit. He gave me a bit of work and i did it and gave him a few quid. Sure worse crimes occur

[Frankybadboy]

so you guys that employ,what type of people did you look for and did you use ex window cleaners or train someone from start your way.


I taught a few that never had any experience what so ever


steve don't employ family or anyone you know.

[Richard iSparkle]

i never employ anyone who has worked as a WC before.  i want to teach them what our standards are, and how we do things,

[PoleKing]

FYI I earn £200 a day tops. Woot! Go me!

This always makes me smile.
SWCS has posted his pennies. In comparison to the £1k a day boys the uneducated would think that's tiny.
The guy opposite me is a chippy, 30 years on the tools. Getting £120 a day.
A sparky did some work for me a few months ago £15.50 an hour.
Minimum wage £6 an hour (or so)
I always wonder why people worry about other people's earnings.
Their money isn't in your pocket.
Money doesn't bring you happiness.
Bloke I know worked all the hours under the sun. Loads of pennies. Ignored his mrs to go out to work. Finalises his divorce tomorrow-she's taken most of his money and left him with £'s of debt. Bet he wishes he had got his priorities right.
Mick (IMO) has got it right. Charges upper end of prices from what I see but knows what is important-takes his little girl to school and built up work to look after his old mum. Hats off to you sir. Worry not about those that hate.

[Smudger]

Would not employ anyone who has been on the glass we had a part timer apply from a windy in the next village he didn't make the interview stage.

Both my guys are young 20's full clean licence, hard working and trained to how I want them to work.

They are not on 40 hr contracts but 30 p/w and must be available for Saturdays if we get a rain day.

Darran

[Wheeliebin]

Smudger,
Do you have your guys together in one van, if so what sort of hourly glass rate do they make. You mentioned that £30 am hour is the mark to get to for an employee. Does that mean it is 60 am hour for 2? How many houses a day can they do?
Thanks

[Smudger]

2 men 1 van never get double whatever the combination ( me and a worker or 2 workers ) on a standard round usually get 75% extra.

So why not a van each ? Well cost is one thing space for yet another it's tricky getting space for 2 never mind 3

Where 2 man score over 1 is the large commercial jobs which are completed easily in half the time ( less fatigue ) and the conny roof cleaning - soffit fascia gutter jobs are also completed more easily we always have 2 men when gutter vac'ing

Darran

[roundbuilder]

Why wouldn't you matt - you'd be so bored without us 

I think Richards figures are very acceptable IMO

Darran

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[jarvy]

 

[roundbuilder]

 

Hahaha wicked.

[geoffreyspecht]

Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.

If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.

i'm not on about commercial no.  domestics my son.

so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.

the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing.  i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc.  but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days.  on their own they do £400 within the same times.

as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own.  if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?

what do u charge for a 3bedroom house then

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

FRANCHISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1