[Richard iSparkle]

Richard - how are you finding being VAT registered? When did you register?

Hi,

I'm just getting VAT registered now.  The last  few months have taken my projected earnings well over VAT threshold

We are not £600 day in day out, and both my staff are part timers.  We have 2-3 days a week for 1 staff member at £400 or equivalent, and 1-2 days a week at £600.  The rest of the time is taken up with first cleans and one off cleans whilst i pack my rounds up to full reg cleans.

I;m going flat rate something like 11% and am pretty anxious about it reallt to be honest.  the trouble is taking on more staff hours to cover workload, spending more on marketing to gain new business, and profit dropping because the daft tax 

[Smudger]

doubled 180 quid clean to 360 as it is now trad...

It was £140 to £280.

But there would be many on here who would doubt your word...

I've never had that situation but as you have shown it exists

Darran

[Richard iSparkle]

Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.

If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.

i'm not on about commercial no.  domestics my son.

so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.

the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing.  i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc.  but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days.  on their own they do £400 within the same times.

as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own.  if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but me getting 2/3 an hour canvassing isnt that great a thing at all and what isnt to believe about that??
im just enjoy it and motivate myself to go out and knock on targeted areas and doors and take a team out to build the numbers up on customers.
All straight forward without needing to ball poop! If i said i got 30 new customers a night then i would be liening but getting average 10-12 new cleans between 3 canvassers in 2 hours isnt out of this world like you quoting your guys do £600 day in day out in 1 van.
Total fair play if you have achieved that but i realy cant see how.
Anychance you could break down there typical days work which makes it easier to understand as £600 per day everyday is impossible for the other 99.999 percent of us window cleaners out here to achieve.
 

hey mike,

i wasnt meaning that the canvssing results figures of new clients was remarkable.  i know a couple of people who hit those figures (tho i myself do not)

what is unusual about your claims is the very low drop off rate that you claim to have.  that is remarkable to me, and is unheard of to me.  i do not know how you get those figures at all...  would love to be in london so i could try out your service.

whilst you state that 99.9% of WCs cant hit the figures I quuoted, amongt the other concept 2O operators these figures are pretty unremarkable and in fact expected.  we all speak amongst eachother from time to time and it is the norm for us.

[Jim Waugh(Albright & Shiny)]

hasn't this thread gone a bit off piste. It started out dealing with fears about the first step in employment.. Not who can earn how much..

[Stephen.C]

hasn't this thread gone a bit off piste. It started out dealing with fears about the first step in employment.. Not who can earn how much..

Yep

[KS Cleaning]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

[8weekly]

hasn't this thread gone a bit off piste. It started out dealing with fears about the first step in employment.. Not who can earn how much..

It all started because someone posted that as long as your assistant eans an extra 50p an hour (or something as ridiculous) you are quids in. There were some valuable points made about how much the employee really needs to bring in for the venture to be worthwhile.

[roundbuilder]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.

[roundbuilder]

Sorry but i dont believe you!.
I have 2 men in van doing compact london domestic work, mainly fronts. All min £10 for fronts and £15-£20 full houses. 25-30 jobs per day get done no big jobs involved that lose time either.
On a realy good day they hit £400 Working 9-3 but there average is £300 day in day out between 2.
No way on this planet would they be able to do £600 day in day out nobody is that fit to keep that pace up 5 days a week!.
Its about time you wake up son and come back to the real world!.

If i have this wrong and your on about commercial then i apologise as i know that would be possible if you started at 5am each morning and finished at 5pm each night from domestics as i used to do that which would make it possible.

i'm not on about commercial no.  domestics my son.

so if we could combine your amazing results canvassing with our amazing results cleaning we would have a fantastic business wouldn't we.

the fact is, is i cannot see how you can get the results that you get canvassing.  i just cannot see it with dropoffs etc etc etc.  but that is what you say, so i can either decide to believe you and work out how you do get those results, or i could dismiss it as lies or whatever and carry on as we do. my guys start at 8:30 and finish typically at 4:30 on their £600 days.  on their own they do £400 within the same times.

as a matter of fact i can do the same myself as part of their team or on my own.  if you choose to dimiss it as rubbish then that is obviously your choice, and there's nothing i can do or say to change that is there?

Sorry to throw a spanner in the works but me getting 2/3 an hour canvassing isnt that great a thing at all and what isnt to believe about that??
im just enjoy it and motivate myself to go out and knock on targeted areas and doors and take a team out to build the numbers up on customers.
All straight forward without needing to ball poop! If i said i got 30 new customers a night then i would be liening but getting average 10-12 new cleans between 3 canvassers in 2 hours isnt out of this world like you quoting your guys do £600 day in day out in 1 van.
Total fair play if you have achieved that but i realy cant see how.
Anychance you could break down there typical days work which makes it easier to understand as £600 per day everyday is impossible for the other 99.999 percent of us window cleaners out here to achieve.
 

hey mike,

i wasnt meaning that the canvssing results figures of new clients was remarkable.  i know a couple of people who hit those figures (tho i myself do not)

what is unusual about your claims is the very low drop off rate that you claim to have.  that is remarkable to me, and is unheard of to me.  i do not know how you get those figures at all...  would love to be in london so i could try out your service.

whilst you state that 99.9% of WCs cant hit the figures I quuoted, amongt the other concept 2O operators these figures are pretty unremarkable and in fact expected.  we all speak amongst eachother from time to time and it is the norm for us.

My retention isnt that great though normaly 70 percent but as of yet on my stepdads round there has been no cancelations, my mum is doing it with him and they are doing a realy good job with many thank you letters and kind words with what a good job they are doing, also the reason i believe retention is spot on is where we are telling all the new customers that he was made redundant and wanted to get straight back out there working. Who knows, there will be cancelations but as of yet there are none.

[KS Cleaning]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.

So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.

[roundbuilder]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.

So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.

Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.

[Smudger]

You've really lost me mick

So you can do £80 ph on the glass but lose a few hours to petting moggies etc..

So if you cut out the chat Richard id right on the money


Darran

[roundbuilder]

You've really lost me mick

So you can do £80 ph on the glass but lose a few hours to petting moggies etc..

So if you cut out the chat Richard id right on the money


Darran

Lol i was taking the mick just saying how as well as cleaning windows a lot more goes on where im not getting paid for.
Smudger your a bright bloke, you surely understand what i mean by glass time per hour against hourly rate throughout the day. If i clean 8 fronts and have to make 2 3 stops to get them all done and have a chat with a few customers, have a bite to eat and cuppa. To do all those fronts are literally 7 mins each so 56 mins glass time but what stops it being that good is the obsticals inbetween that i dont get paid for, i oy get payed to clean the windows hence me saying glass time.
Basically i dont earn £60/80per hour its much lower than that but try to work at £1 per min glass time as most probably so do you if you work it out.

[Wheeliebin]

Could someone explain to me why they think it necessary to make so much from adding an extra person. I can't think any other industry where you wouldn't bother hiring someone cause they can only make you £12,000 a year more profit.

But it's not £12000 a year extra profit. It's £12000 a year extra turn over.

Andy

Andy and smudger,
Unfortunately you are getting your business jargon incorrect.
To clarify a typical example let us presume the employee does a 8 hour working day.
Of that he is on the windows for seven hours.
Presume he works for 46 weeks of the year.
 He will produce 25 an hour for those seven hours.
Therefore he generates 40,250 in turnover. Not 12,000 as stated by you two.

I accept that there will be days when it will rain but he can canvass in those times and/or take the time off to catch it up later. So I will still get the £40,250 worth of generated income for the year.

I also stated that it could be quite easy to find someone who has their own van so their would be no additional costs regarding van etc.

From this point I am more than happy to be corrected on the benefits of such a person but how would he be any different to a sole trader who goes and cleans windows. If someone is to suggest he can't generate £40k a year, then why can everyone else on here do that so easily.. The main difference in putting on the employer is to keep the difference to what he will work for and what a sole trader will work for.

Also from another post it was suggested that an employee on £10 an hour will effectively cost about £35k so would it be safe to presume that if I increase his glass time to £30 an hour then I would therefore generate £48,300. That would give me £12k.

Perhaps it is being suggested that the employee may need to make say £30 an hour to make it worthwhile.

[KS Cleaning]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.

So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.

Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.

It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you,  even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.

[roundbuilder]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.

So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.

Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.

It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you,  even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.

Again you know nothing about what i was saying! For 1 my post was about the same area in fact it was the same 2 blooming roads for god sake lol. A guy was charging £6 a house where i charged what they are worth £12-15. I dont charge half as much as some round my way but what does tally up is my front only houses hence i get a great hourly glass rate! All i said was i dont believe someone can earn £600 day in day out and your for some reason jumping on me. Are you cleaning £600 a day??? I doubt it verey much.

[KS Cleaning]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.

So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.

Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.

It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you,  even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.

Again you know nothing about what i was saying! For 1 my post was about the same area in fact it was the same 2 blooming roads for god sake lol. A guy was charging £6 a house where i charged what they are worth £12-15. I dont charge half as much as some round my way but what does tally up is my front only houses hence i get a great hourly glass rate! All i said was i dont believe someone can earn £600 day in day out and your for some reason jumping on me. Are you cleaning £600 a day??? I doubt it verey much.

I know exactly what you have been saying, on another thread you say things like " guys on here who do houses for £6 annoy me "  And you are correct to doubt very much that I clean £600 per day It's actually £750 per day      

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

doubled 180 quid clean to 360 as it is now trad...

It was £140 to £280.

But there would be many on here who would doubt your word...

I've never had that situation but as you have shown it exists

Darran

There may be, but I dont think it's as outlandish as what some on here claim re: their business's finances.

[Swcs]

FYI I earn £200 a day tops. Woot! Go me!

[roundbuilder]

Yes but im a realist and not a dreamer!! Im verey proud to be hitting £300-400 a day with 2 men in van working shortish days meaning never behind and catching up is reasonably easy thank you verey much!.
And yes 99.999 percent. i know many cleaners and none do £600 in a van per day. Only on ciu do people realy believe such garbage things are the norm. £600 day in day out is not the norm!.

Well Well, would you believe it, here is the man who mocked others about their crazy low prices, saying they can't be making money at these prices and he is only hitting £300-£400 a day with his inflated prices with 2 men in a van. That would be about the same totals as me then When I see what some  charge down south I have no doubt that the figures Richard mentioned are achievable.

Thats where your so wrong, i dont think my prices are over inflated at all, i think they are reasonable at min £10 and average full house is £12-15! I dont choose to work 8 hour days, everything we do is 4/6 hour days as i take daughter to school then pick ber up 5 days a week! I have always said i work as £60-80 per hour glass time(not hourly rate).
My plan was to build exactly what i have built for myself which is a round of easy fronts(sparing about 25% where do full houses) and to have it all compact so can have max earnings for minimal working hours.

So why if you can do £60-80 per hour, did you say Richard is talking rubbish that he can do £600 in a day, seems a bit contradictory to me.

Glass time and hourly rate are totally different.
I dont earn £60/80 per hour at all as I didnt include travel time, lunch, customer chats, stroking cats/dogs etc throughout the day. Actual time on glass is only 3/4 hours out of my working day which hits my daily targets. I dont know why your on my case as if im trying to be the big i am as im not i say it how it is! My rounds are easy and anyone motivated could rebuild there business to target fronts where there is no rear access and earn well for min work involved! I love the fact i never have a hard days work ahead of me, ill never earn £600 a day but then again i havnt planned or targetted my business to be like that The way your going on is as if im bigging myself up which im not at all. Not sure why you have a problem with me but there you go!.

It's not so much the fact you are bigging yourself up, it's more a case of you ridiculing window cleaners who charge low prices compared to you,  even though they are in a totally different area to you that you obviously know nothing about.

Again you know nothing about what i was saying! For 1 my post was about the same area in fact it was the same 2 blooming roads for god sake lol. A guy was charging £6 a house where i charged what they are worth £12-15. I dont charge half as much as some round my way but what does tally up is my front only houses hence i get a great hourly glass rate! All i said was i dont believe someone can earn £600 day in day out and your for some reason jumping on me. Are you cleaning £600 a day??? I doubt it verey much.

I know exactly what you have been saying, on another thread you say things like " guys on here who do houses for £6 annoy me "  And you are correct to doubt very much that I clean £600 per day It's actually £750 per day    

Your 1 of those guys who has to be right arnt you??.
im finding it funny that your digging holes in me on this thread(trying to anyway). All i am is an average window cleaner who charges average prices that questioned someone saying they do £600 in a van a day. Your questioning me now for an opinion of £6 being a low amount to charge where i was charging more trad 10 years ago!.
Ill await your next bell end comment against me lol!.