[Smudger]

Hi guys we are looking at buying a new pressure washer
The budget is from £1500 to £2500 and will be used mainly for domestic work such as drives patios decking etc...  But ideally be good enough should we get something commercial come in, it would cope

We have narrowed it down to 5 

1. nilfisk Poseidon 5-67 pe.   230 bar and 18 LPM cleaning force 6.7 kg
Honda 390 reduction gearbox oil alert system, auto idling and interpump set up to run from mains or tank. Price £2300 all in

2. Rapier rt21170phr. 170 bar (at lance so I'm told 200 bar at unloader valve) and 21 LPM ws202 inter pump Honda 390 engine with oil alert and shutdown price £2178

3. 13 HP LONCIN WS 202 INTERPUMP HOSE REEL 30 METERS from jetmac
BLOW AWAY THE COMPETITION WITH THIS INDUSTRIAL SPEC WASHER FEATURING THE INTERPUMP WS 202 PUMP WITH REDUCTION GEARBOX
LOW SPEED PUMP RPM 1450 / HALF SPEED OF PUMPS WITHOUT GEARBOX THUS LONGER LIFE
THIS WILL BLOW AWAY ALL THOSE WASHERS DOING 4000 PSI AT 13 LITRES AND 3600 PSI 15 LITRE MACHINES DUE TO THE IMMENSE FLOW RATE OF 21 LITRES
IT WILL WORK FLAT SURFACE CLEANERS BRILLIANTLY WORKING THEM TO THERE FULL POTENTIAL
BACKED UP BY THE STRONG 13 HP LONCIN ENGINE ( 2 YEAR WARRANTY ) , YOU WILL BE ON YOUR WINNING WAY TO CONQUERING THE TOUGHEST CLEANING JOBS
PRESSURE GAUGE
TEMA QUICK RELEASE COUPLINGS
INTERPUMP K1 UNLOADER VALVE WITH OUTER BYPASS
MAX PRESSURE 3000 PSI FOR RELIABILITY FULLY ADJUSTABLE
MAX FLOW 21 LITRES PER MINUTE FULLY ADJUSTABLE
POWDER COATED TROLLEY
HOSE REEL AND 30 METERS HOSE , HOSE REEL HAS BRAKE
QUICK RELEASE TURBO NOZZLE INCLUDED
2 METERS ANTI KINK SUCTION HOSE WITH PARTICLE FILTER
SET UP TO DRAW ITS OWN WATER FROM TANK / DRUM
THIS MACHINE DOESNT SUIT DIRECT TAP CONNECTIONS DUE TO FLOW RATE OF 21 LITRES
IF YOU WANT A MACHINE THAT WILL NEARLY LIFT YOU OFF THE GROUND WHEN YOU PULL THE TRIGGER THIS IS IT ( NOT FOR THE WEAK / FAINTHEARTED)
GOOD FOR DRAIN JETTING ALSO
EXTRA 10 METERS OF HOSE EXTENSION INCLUDED

4. Also from jetmac
HONDA 21 LITRE 30M HOSE REEL
HONDA GX 390 ( 13 HORSE POWER ) PETROL ENGINE WITH LOW OIL ALERT - 3 YEAR GX WARRANTY
PULL START ( ELECTRIC START OPTIONAL ADD £240 INCL VAT )
PRESSURE FULLY ADJUSTABLE
WS 202 INTERPUMP - 3000 PSI AT 21 LITRES PER MINUTE
HOSE REEL WITH BRAKING SYSTEM
30 METERS 3/8TH 2 WIRE HOSE ON HOSE REEL ( HOSE RATED TO 5000 PSI )
OUTER BYPASS ON PUMP ( WATER RETURNS TO TANK WHEN TRIGGER ON GUN IS RELEASED)
POWDER COATED BARROW STYLE TROLLEY WITH HOSE REEL MOUNTED
LARGE 13 INCH AIR FILLED WHEELS FOR EASY MOVEMENT OVER ROUGH GROUND

Are jetmac a decent supplier and will the warranty be valid here on the mainland uk as they are in Northern Ireland - we have Hugh crane just down the road so long as the warranty can be used anywhere and not restricted to the seller I'd be happier buying from long distance.

5.
HONDA GX390 PRESSURE WASHER 13HP 21LTRS 3000PSI WS202
From eBay seller qwashers
MACHINE SPEC

WS202 INTERPUMP PUMP 1450 RPM (LOW SPEED)

REDUCTION GEARBOX:  2:1

PRESSURE: PSI/BAR 3000/200

LTRS PER MIN/HR: 21/1260

LOW OIL LEVEL SAFETY SHUT DOWN ALERT

EASY PULL START

PRIMER VALVE

DOUBLE INLET WATER FEED

BARROW TROLLEY

FULLY RUBBER MOUNTED ENGINE

MADE TO SUCK & RETURN

2 X WATER FILTERS/SUCTION WEIGHTED

LOW PRESSURE SOAP

This has 2 inlets why? And what would the advantage be?


Sorry for the long winded post but looking for the best overall deal for cost reliability etc...   

Info welcomed on the sellers, service, etc...  Or any alternative machines and suppliers

Darran

[Matt Gibson]

Darran,

Id go for the qwashers machine. I buy alot of stuff off them and so do a few guys on here. They are a good mob plus they are mainland so any problems with them they will sort it and its less hassle for you. Jetmac offer a back to base warranty i think so it will be a lot of effort to send back to Ireland if it goes t1ts up.

Twin inlet on the qwahers machine is due to the pump being 21lpm. Its so the pump can get enough water to produce the 21lpm without starving it.

I wouldnt bother with the others, qwashers is where its at out of the ones you mentioned.

Lee kenny on here offers some good second hand machines at good prices, well below your budget so you could afford to buy some extras like long lances, Flat surface cleaners etc..

just my opinion though.

[Smudger]

Cheers matt

Thanks for the input, the only thing I can see against qwashers is we pay for items like this on company credit card for insurance and protection but I can't see an option for this only PayPal

It's nice to hear of first hand dealings with suppliers

Thanks

Darran

[G O Cleaning]

I dont think a 13hp Honda will drive a 202 and give you 200bar plus 21ltrs, I know a Loncin wont give you 200bar.
Anyone know the price for a large Kohler lump 18ph plus ?

[Matt Gibson]

Darran,

You can call up qwahers. they have a workshop etc.. You can pay over the phone and they are good with technical advice. They also sell all the usual gear too at reasonable prices.

Mike,

A 390 will be at the limit running a 202 but it WILL run it. its the 10 & 11hp engines that wont run at 200bar. Not sure about a kholer. Dont really see too many of the 18hp around used. you looking for more power?

[Matt Gibson]

Darran,

Off topic but in another post you mentioned you do a lot of cladding cleans. Ive got a real filthy one coming up. Really bad moss etc. What product would you recommend? I know there is virisol/G101/Ecover etc, but which one shifts it best?

[BDCS]

I dont think a 13hp Honda will drive a 202 and give you 200bar plus 21ltrs, I know a Loncin wont give you 200bar.
Anyone know the price for a large Kohler lump 18ph plus ?

I have a pair of good condition Kohler v twins - one with a gas conversion for sale

[Kenny83]

I have just sold a jetmac gx390 with interpump ws202, it was single inlet (this is wrong but jetmac seems to keep on producing them anyway!?!). During the testing and servicing of this machine I noticed that when running @ full throttle that it was dropping in pressure/lacking water, I have now saw 1st hand the reason they need to be dual fed, obviously before sale I added another suction pipe and filter and set it up to dual feed, it then worked perfectly doing the full 200 bar on a .65 jet.
The only way to get rid of this pressure drop / water starvation is to turn the throttle down and do around 190 bar @ 19 lpm (at a guess)
Also come to mention it, I have never seen a jetmac machine with a pressure gauge on...
For these reasons I would never buy from jetmac as it is quite clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to pressure washers.....
It cost me around £20 quid for the fittings and filters to dual feed it and I woud expect jetmac could obtain the same parts even cheaper than that... so why doesn't he do it as it such a small cost???  

Back to the question, go for the Q washers machine, unrivalled knowledge, service and back up!
 

[chris scott]

Try here for the kohler engine http://www.hartindustrialtools.co.uk/acatalog/REPLACEMENT_ENGINES.html
Honda don't make a 13hp engine anymore ...it's a gx390 . Due to emission laws ,i think they only produce 12 and a bit which compared to the old engine is 10% down on power ,quite a lot relatively speaking!

[G O Cleaning]

Darran,

You can call up qwahers. they have a workshop etc.. You can pay over the phone and they are good with technical advice. They also sell all the usual gear too at reasonable prices.

Mike,

A 390 will be at the limit running a 202 but it WILL run it. its the 10 & 11hp engines that wont run at 200bar. Not sure about a kholer. Dont really see too many of the 18hp around used. you looking for more power?

Hi Matt,
I know a 14hp Loncin wont produce 200 bar at 21ltr step it down to 18ltrs and works at treat. then achieve 200. For our cleaning rarely use machines on full tilt plus they need to be portable ie not van mounted, due to weight rules out diesel. Just had a Loncin go being sent back to them as it dropped a push rod took out guide plate, in fairness they run long hours cheap to simply replace lump. Went Friday pickup machine latest Tues. Whilst at supplier we spoke about increasing lump to run at reduced revs, currently one of our Billy goats has a kohler, not used on a daily basis jet fires first time and purrs  he has a contact with kohler awaiting price..

[G O Cleaning]

I dont think a 13hp Honda will drive a 202 and give you 200bar plus 21ltrs, I know a Loncin wont give you 200bar.
Anyone know the price for a large Kohler lump 18ph plus ?

I have a pair of good condition Kohler v twins - one with a gas conversion for sale

Carl def interested could I have more info... spec plus any pics ... pretty please 
mike@greatoutdoorsandin.co.uk

[Smudger]

Thanks for all the replies most helpful q washers it is

Is there any particular lance that is better than others?


For cladding I always use WFP brushes as I have never felt that pressure washing gets all the grime off ( but then I've never had a really powerful washer ) anyway I totally
Recommend g101 at around 15% I usually wet the area first then spray on the 101 leave a few mins and then clean.
The dirt just falls off

Virosol Tfr ubik all work as well but not quite as well

Darran

[Matt Gibson]

Darran,

Thanks mate, G101 it is.

As for the lance, we just use normal lances. We have mini quick releases on the end so we can change from turbo nozzle to fan nozzle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRESSURE-WASHER-QUICK-RELEASE-COUPLINGS-MINI-HIGH-PRESSURE-PAIR-11-6MM-LANCE-JET-/181005238705?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item2a24c0c1b1

We also have a vario nozzle for use with chemical injection (twist the nozzle for low or high pressure)

Tip on buying a lance, make sure you get one tha suits your height. Most standard lances are fine for me cause im a short arse, but if your of the taller persuasion, get a longer lance so your not bent over.

We have also recently changed our guns for ones with a kew spiggot quick release system on them, so we can change from the lance to the whirlaway without having to turn the machine off. a lot of guys on here use the same set up and it has cut our work time down considerably.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEW-ALTO-NILFISK-SPIGOT-AND-COUPLING-SET-PRESSURE-WASHER-LANCE-TRIGGER-1-4-BSP-/130873058028?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item1e78a462ec

Female on the gun, male on the lance/whirlaway.

[Matt Gibson]

I have just sold a jetmac gx390 with interpump ws202, it was single inlet (this is wrong but jetmac seems to keep on producing them anyway!?!). During the testing and servicing of this machine I noticed that when running @ full throttle that it was dropping in pressure/lacking water, I have now saw 1st hand the reason they need to be dual fed, obviously before sale I added another suction pipe and filter and set it up to dual feed, it then worked perfectly doing the full 200 bar on a .65 jet.
The only way to get rid of this pressure drop / water starvation is to turn the throttle down and do around 190 bar @ 19 lpm (at a guess)
Also come to mention it, I have never seen a jetmac machine with a pressure gauge on...
For these reasons I would never buy from jetmac as it is quite clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to pressure washers.....
It cost me around £20 quid for the fittings and filters to dual feed it and I woud expect jetmac could obtain the same parts even cheaper than that... so why doesn't he do it as it such a small cost???  

Back to the question, go for the Q washers machine, unrivalled knowledge, service and back up!
 

I run single inlet on my 202 and it runs full pressure full flow

[Smudger]

Great info I'm vertically challenged at 5 ft 8 inches 

Both the lads are 5/11 so i will bear the length in mind

[Carl@Cwc]

Darran,

Thanks mate, G101 it is.

As for the lance, we just use normal lances. We have mini quick releases on the end so we can change from turbo nozzle to fan nozzle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRESSURE-WASHER-QUICK-RELEASE-COUPLINGS-MINI-HIGH-PRESSURE-PAIR-11-6MM-LANCE-JET-/181005238705?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item2a24c0c1b1

We also have a vario nozzle for use with chemical injection (twist the nozzle for low or high pressure)

Tip on buying a lance, make sure you get one tha suits your height. Most standard lances are fine for me cause im a short arse, but if your of the taller persuasion, get a longer lance so your not bent over.

We have also recently changed our guns for ones with a kew spiggot quick release system on them, so we can change from the lance to the whirlaway without having to turn the machine off. a lot of guys on here use the same set up and it has cut our work time down considerably.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEW-ALTO-NILFISK-SPIGOT-AND-COUPLING-SET-PRESSURE-WASHER-LANCE-TRIGGER-1-4-BSP-/130873058028?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item1e78a462ec

Female on the gun, male on the lance/whirlaway.

im an idiot could u post a pic of your setup /connections?
im just about to setup a proper jetwash system and wanted quick release on lances and whirlaway.
just cant get my head around it at the minute

[Kenny83]

I have just sold a jetmac gx390 with interpump ws202, it was single inlet (this is wrong but jetmac seems to keep on producing them anyway!?!). During the testing and servicing of this machine I noticed that when running @ full throttle that it was dropping in pressure/lacking water, I have now saw 1st hand the reason they need to be dual fed, obviously before sale I added another suction pipe and filter and set it up to dual feed, it then worked perfectly doing the full 200 bar on a .65 jet.
The only way to get rid of this pressure drop / water starvation is to turn the throttle down and do around 190 bar @ 19 lpm (at a guess)
Also come to mention it, I have never seen a jetmac machine with a pressure gauge on...
For these reasons I would never buy from jetmac as it is quite clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to pressure washers.....
It cost me around £20 quid for the fittings and filters to dual feed it and I woud expect jetmac could obtain the same parts even cheaper than that... so why doesn't he do it as it such a small cost???  

Back to the question, go for the Q washers machine, unrivalled knowledge, service and back up!
 

I run single inlet on my 202 and it runs full pressure full flow

I believe your gravity fed though aren't you Matt?

[Matt Gibson]

Darran,

Thanks mate, G101 it is.

As for the lance, we just use normal lances. We have mini quick releases on the end so we can change from turbo nozzle to fan nozzle.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRESSURE-WASHER-QUICK-RELEASE-COUPLINGS-MINI-HIGH-PRESSURE-PAIR-11-6MM-LANCE-JET-/181005238705?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item2a24c0c1b1

We also have a vario nozzle for use with chemical injection (twist the nozzle for low or high pressure)

Tip on buying a lance, make sure you get one tha suits your height. Most standard lances are fine for me cause im a short arse, but if your of the taller persuasion, get a longer lance so your not bent over.

We have also recently changed our guns for ones with a kew spiggot quick release system on them, so we can change from the lance to the whirlaway without having to turn the machine off. a lot of guys on here use the same set up and it has cut our work time down considerably.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KEW-ALTO-NILFISK-SPIGOT-AND-COUPLING-SET-PRESSURE-WASHER-LANCE-TRIGGER-1-4-BSP-/130873058028?pt=UK_Home_Garden_PowerTools_SM&hash=item1e78a462ec

Female on the gun, male on the lance/whirlaway.

im an idiot could u post a pic of your setup /connections?
im just about to setup a proper jetwash system and wanted quick release on lances and whirlaway.
just cant get my head around it at the minute

Quick release to change between fan/turbo/vario.

Female kew fitting on the gun, male spiggot on the end of the lance.

Male kew spiggot on the end of the whirlaway instead of the whirlaway gun.


This way, you can connect the gun up and change between your lance/whirlaway and also change to different nozzles without having to turn the machine off or mess about.

[Matt Gibson]

I have just sold a jetmac gx390 with interpump ws202, it was single inlet (this is wrong but jetmac seems to keep on producing them anyway!?!). During the testing and servicing of this machine I noticed that when running @ full throttle that it was dropping in pressure/lacking water, I have now saw 1st hand the reason they need to be dual fed, obviously before sale I added another suction pipe and filter and set it up to dual feed, it then worked perfectly doing the full 200 bar on a .65 jet.
The only way to get rid of this pressure drop / water starvation is to turn the throttle down and do around 190 bar @ 19 lpm (at a guess)
Also come to mention it, I have never seen a jetmac machine with a pressure gauge on...
For these reasons I would never buy from jetmac as it is quite clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to pressure washers.....
It cost me around £20 quid for the fittings and filters to dual feed it and I woud expect jetmac could obtain the same parts even cheaper than that... so why doesn't he do it as it such a small cost???  

Back to the question, go for the Q washers machine, unrivalled knowledge, service and back up!
 

I run single inlet on my 202 and it runs full pressure full flow

I believe your gravity fed though aren't you Matt?

Yeah mate, my water feed is from the bottom of my tank.

[Smudger]

Well the deed is done

Pressure washer 7 meter lance and a whirl away
All quick fittings etc...

Darran