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gregmyster

  • Posts: 69
pump/controler problem
« on: July 24, 2013, 10:26:15 pm »
Hi
my controler is coming up with the p5 fault which i know it does when i stop the flow {i have a pure freedom trolley by the way but i use it in the back of the van with a tank} but it is doing this even when i am connected up and ready to go.there is no noise coming from the pump does this normally mean the pumps goosed or the controler and is there a way to check it i have put an old car battery on charge and am going to wire it up direct to the pump tommoz just to see what happens.if you ran the pump with no controller and just stopped the water with a inline tap by the pole is the pump going to knacker up because the water has no where to go or is it ok to do this
cheers in advance

Tom White

Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2013, 10:35:41 pm »
Remove your flow controller and connect the pressure switch (it's the black plastic bit on your pump) back up.  Attach it to your battery using a £2 switch from Wilkinsons.

It's dead easy to do; even I can do it and I'm a Geordie.

Then bin the controller; you don't need it; it'll just mess you about.

Hopefully someone will come along with some advice how you fix your controller though; but seriously, I'd bin it.  100 meters of microbore will slow the flow down to a perfect working level.

gregmyster

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Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2013, 10:47:28 pm »
cheers
when you stop the flow of water what happens with the pump does it try to keep on pumping with nowhere to go ,just abit concered incase this can cause the pump to burn out or do you keep switching of the power to it
cheers

Tom White

Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2013, 10:54:52 pm »
cheers
when you stop the flow of water what happens with the pump does it try to keep on pumping with nowhere to go ,just abit concered incase this can cause the pump to burn out or do you keep switching of the power to it
cheers

No, your pump has a pressure switch so that when you cut the flow (by bending the pole hose or a tap), the pump will automatically switch off; just like it does with your flow controller.

But when we attach at flow controller, we disconnect the pump's pressure switch and the flow controller does the job.  So if you bin your flow controller, you need to reconnect the pump's pressure switch.

Hold on; I've a youtube somewhere:

It's rough, but it'll show you what I mean:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Y9TfLUm98

A simple switch from Wilkinson's will be your on/off switch.

DG Cleaning

  • Posts: 1726
Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2013, 10:55:50 pm »
The pressure switch turns it off.
They can burn out but its never happened to me.
If it does they're a couple of quid.

Tom White

Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2013, 10:58:09 pm »
One of the great things about a DIY system is that when it comes to fault finding and rectifying problems, you know what the score is.

And it's very simple too.

Ian Sheppard

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Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2013, 08:48:05 am »
Hi
my controler is coming up with the p5 fault which i know it does when i stop the flow {i have a pure freedom trolley by the way but i use it in the back of the van with a tank} but it is doing this even when i am connected up and ready to go.there is no noise coming from the pump does this normally mean the pumps goosed or the controler and is there a way to check it i have put an old car battery on charge and am going to wire it up direct to the pump tommoz just to see what happens.if you ran the pump with no controller and just stopped the water with a inline tap by the pole is the pump going to knacker up because the water has no where to go or is it ok to do this
cheers in advance

PS means Pressure Switch - The controller is telling you that the pump pressure switch has activated due to High pressure build up in your system.

If PS is displayed, this means that the pump's pressure switch has been operated due to a high build up of pressure in your system. The controller is set to work with a 5.2 litre per minute pump up to 100psi, although it will work at higher ranges. Common causes for the pressure switch operating are:

1. A restriction to the water flow, i.e. from a twisted hose.

2. Blocked or small water jets. (We recommended that the jets are no smaller than 2mm).

3. Grit or dirt trapped in the system.

4. Air trapped in the system.

5. Prolonged shut off of the water flow.

6. Check the pump pre filter is clear and not blocked

The controller is not activating the pressure switch it is however providing information that something in the system is creating very high pressure in almost all cases it is some type of blockage or air lock.

It may also be worth running auto cal as your calibration setting may be to high.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKoskb7l7c&list=UL


You can run a system with no controller and rely on the pump pressure switch to stop the pump, However this will mean your pump is running flat out the whole time drawing higher current from the battery plus putting more strain on all the hose and connectors due to high pressure. Another facto to consider is running flat out the pump motor will get very hot, The hotter it gets the less efficient it is at pushing water, As current is turned into heat the pump tries to work harder drawing more current.
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gregmyster

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Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2013, 10:12:48 pm »
thanks  everyone i have just bypassed the controller for now and it seems to be working ok i will have to have a mess around over the weekend when i have a bit more time thanks again

Dave Willis

Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2013, 07:00:18 am »
Sounds like it just needs re callibrating to me.

Frankybadboy

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Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2013, 05:42:23 pm »
don't listen to tosh he had know idea how to set them up.well he does live in wales


two controllers two pump for over 5years and no problems what so ever ;)


 ;D ;D

Tom White

Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2013, 10:35:34 pm »
Flow controllers are for wusses that can't work with a man's flow.

Frankybadboy

  • Posts: 9022
Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2013, 07:28:25 am »
Flow controllers are for wusses that can't work with a man's flow.
has I said you don't know what you are doing. :P :P :P :P your welsh ;D ;D



a few thing that make the controllers not work properly ive found,wrong amp wire used,bad connectors and bad battery,then people don't really understand how to adjust when set up ;)

Dave Willis

Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2013, 08:22:49 am »
Spring Analogue controller is so simple to use - just two dials. Don't bother with the digital press two buttons at once, wait for setting, switch back on and reset crap. Pressure or flow can be tweaked in a second.

http://www.gardinerpolesystems.co.uk/acatalog/Easy-Analogue-Liquid-Logic----trade-----Pump-Flow-Controller--LIQUIDLOGIC_ANALOG.html

Jim Waugh(Albright & Shiny)

  • Posts: 559
Re: pump/controler problem
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2013, 09:33:09 am »
Im confused as to why Id want a flow controller. What are the advantages. all I can see is the disadvantage of parting with good cash..