[neiljoust]

hi as anyone used the canvasser whizz bizz please

[Crystal-clear]

If you Pay him £1200 including travel and hotels and he will give you £700 of paying customers then £500 on the second clean, many people have used him but you MUST follow his procedure otherwise he won't be able to Guarantee those figures , he canvasses different you DON'T get Promised the world you get promised Financially,if you don't get that amount of money back and you followed his procedure you get a partial refund, I think this year he he has only refunded one person, so you get your £1200 back in paying customers Provided you do it his way

after that long term stick rates vary
U need to call him and ask for recent references who will be honest with you everyone will have a different opinion he has plenty,and most were quite satisfied

[roundbuilder]

So £1200 of work for the cost of £1200 1x. Thats a realy good deal. Cheapest roundbuilder there is. Im happy to pay a clean value for good work.

[Crystal-clear]

Nah it ain't its £700 of payers about £1200 of faces

[davids3511]

Nah it ain't its £700 of payers about £1200 of faces

I dont understand Crystal, how is it structured?

[Crystal-clear]

I'd be happy to pay 1x for good work too mate who wouldn't

[robert mitchell]

its simple , its 1200 for 500 quids worth of work .

Thats 200 expenses and 500 at  x2 =1000

so he gets 1200 faces (people that say yes at the door) a lot of canvassers leave it at that as job done.

This gets filtered down using a text /phone call by whizz then you should have around 700 in first cleans , likely to drop to 500 by the second clean.

any less he refunds that amount or replaces i believe.

[Crystal-clear]

Nah it ain't its £700 of payers about £1200 of faces

I dont understand Crystal, how is it structured?

Basically as you know mick the perfect customer doesn't exist, no one has a crystal ball how many times have you heard yeah yeah yeah!! Every month then next time who are you? What are you doing we don't want a window cleaner,

The reason why in my opinion canvassers stop trading is cos they sell the customer and at a wack of 200%, when that customer cancels (lets face it its a 50-50 chance) check your first clean payers to stick ratio if you have been solely canvassing it should be around the 50% mark?

So ofc mayjor problems arise canvassers have this amazing plan to take the world over charge 200% pay staff 100% get a load of money pay wages next month half cancel half has already been paid to staff other half canvasser may have spent, no real refund is possible right?

With whizz, he only aims to get you £700 then £500 its a simple transaction
The rest is up to you ,

[Crystal-clear]

its simple , its 1200 for 500 quids worth of work .

Thats 200 expenses and 500 at  x2 =1000

so he gets 1200 faces (people that say yes at the door) a lot of canvassers leave it at that as job done.

This gets filtered down using a text /phone call by whizz then you should have around 700 in first cleans , likely to drop to 500 by the second clean


any less he refunds that amount or replaces i believe.

Almost mate except he is out after that £500 on 2nd if he does anymore admin or top ups would solely be at his discretion

[roundbuilder]

Well im sure some of the 50 guys he has canvassed for will speak soon.
Is your name sasha by any chance?? He said when i spoke to him he stays with sasha from the forum??. That would explain why your speaking for him and biggin him up. Bottom line is sasha that as long as the right houses are targeted cancalations will be at a minimum! How do i know that??? Because thats how i do it.
A crap canvasser would sign any old crap up and hope for the best! Where as a good canvasser would plan it out and not target easy houses where retention will drop so low hence canvassing having a bad name.
75 first cleans have been done with my stepdads round and all are happy and havnt lost 1 due to everyone owns there house and areas chosen have been good. Im expecting to lose 20% but as yet nothing so going good.

[niceandclean]

Bottom line is sasha that as long as the right houses are targeted cancalations will be at a minimum! How do i know that??? Because thats how i do it.
A crap canvasser would sign any old crap up and hope for the best! Where as a good canvasser would plan it out and not target easy houses where retention will drop so low hence canvassing having a bad name.
75 first cleans have been done with my stepdads round and all are happy and havnt lost 1 due to everyone owns there house and areas chosen have been good. Im expecting to lose 20% but as yet nothing so going good.

+1

[Crystal-clear]

Yes mate.

Im mates with him since 3-4 years ago when he first started,he used to stay at mine but I have never stuck up for him, or said its amazing its amazing
His package is or isn't for you , all I have said is he will try his best and is honest won't do a runner if it's worth it for anyone is up to them.to buy it or not,I haven't used him since feb I also get a much better deal cos he stays at mine therefor it used to work for me,

he has had 15 or so window cleaners use him this year I'm sure they will all have different views its important for anyone considering to use him to make calls ask questions before you book him. He will answer them . Get things in writing so you both get a copy etc etc , ages ago I said and I'm still saying dont just chuck money at him
It's bloody hard work establishing first clean payers , All he promises is £700 then £500 on 2nd no perfect customers .

But mick those stick rates u are saying are amazing and only 20% to cancel I can't say anything to that Apart from if you are offering canvassing services then people need to use you too.its very impressive

I found home owners houses helps a bit but doesn't stop the drop rate to be honest the fun factor of window cleaning has been worn down a bit only ever experienced 50% cancelation finding it a bit annoying so treating my bussniess a bit like a job which is something I never used too.

I find establishing single value canvassed work very annoying when you already have a round. So only charge more on first but sometime the pick up rate can be horrible and its sole destroying getting say 2-3 leads rather then 15

By the way I noticed the other topic and I'm not on anyone's side, I think you have a point you haven't really bad mouthed him on the other hand canvassing for mark is his only sorce of income he is a self employed canvasser , its not easy for him of that £1200 he spends as much as £600 in expensis some jobs take 10 days , so he is really trying his best to make it work and maybe that's why he got a bit defensive

[Susan Dean (1stclean)]

I will be watching this thread , would be nice to hear from people that have parted with cash and see how they have found his work as I have a week to fill up in Essex and I would be more then happy to pay him 1200 pounds to help fill this week

[Michael Peterson]

wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here

[roundbuilder]

Yes mate.

Im mates with him since 3-4 years ago when he first started,he used to stay at mine but I have never stuck up for him, or said its amazing its amazing
His package is or isn't for you , all I have said is he will try his best and is honest won't do a runner if it's worth it for anyone is up to them.to buy it or not,I haven't used him since feb I also get a much better deal cos he stays at mine therefor it used to work for me,

he has had 15 or so window cleaners use him this year I'm sure they will all have different views its important for anyone considering to use him to make calls ask questions before you book him. He will answer them . Get things in writing so you both get a copy etc etc , ages ago I said and I'm still saying dont just chuck money at him
It's bloody hard work establishing first clean payers , All he promises is £700 then £500 on 2nd no perfect customers .

But mick those stick rates u are saying are amazing and only 20% to cancel I can't say anything to that Apart from if you are offering canvassing services then people need to use you too.its very impressive

I found home owners houses helps a bit but doesn't stop the drop rate to be honest the fun factor of window cleaning has been worn down a bit only ever experienced 50% cancelation finding it a bit annoying so treating my bussniess a bit like a job which is something I never used too.

I find establishing single value canvassed work very annoying when you already have a round. So only charge more on first but sometime the pick up rate can be horrible and its sole destroying getting say 2-3 leads rather then 15

By the way I noticed the other topic and I'm not on anyone's side, I think you have a point you haven't really bad mouthed him on the other hand canvassing for mark is his only sorce of income he is a self employed canvasser , its not easy for him of that £1200 he spends as much as £600 in expensis some jobs take 10 days , so he is really trying his best to make it work and maybe that's why he got a bit defensive

Im glad you see it like that as i want him to do well! It ped me off if im honest that he would suggest such crap about me trying to bring me down.
Im a possitive guy so when he says sorry for making assumptions ill forget about it.

[roundbuilder]

wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here

And that is how it should be.. To have the ultimate reliable round then reliable decent people need to be targeted hence the best person to canvass your business up is yourself! Failing that could always use me lol.
if i get a customer i like to think its a long term custy and if i get an inclin they will be a messer i rip the canvass form up.

[Crystal-clear]

Hehe I know mate. I just rang him n told him that you had a point he is stressed out hasn't been home in 5 weeks his misses is screaming at him to get back,, + traveling today to meet a new client with a massive suitcase and the heat today almost unbearable , plus he spent a bit too much on his last job when they area is hard he grits his teeth but it catches up with you Im sure you 2 will be fine when he's more relaxed lol

[Crystal-clear]

wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here

Wow 0.01 % cancelation Im moving to ashford

Mick what are your forms like ? never tryed forms before
The mayjor problem is people what to see it first some are genuine some say
No thanks for regular say not happy use any excuse to cancel does your form ask them to commit?

[paul ette]

wish i could get motivated to canvass, feel done in from cleaning in this heat

[roundbuilder]

wow in four years and about 400 houses i have maybe 3 people cancel after being canvassed or sting me for a one off, must be different up here

Wow 0.01 % cancelation Im moving to ashford

Mick what are your forms like ? never tryed forms before
The mayjor problem is people what to see it first some are genuine some say
No thanks for regular say not happy use any excuse to cancel does your form ask them to commit?

on my forms
Without telling canvassers i dont do 1 off cleans i have- 4 weekly/8weeky.    If satisfied its a good job i will keep service.      1 off clean.
Most people tick if satisfied which is good for canvassing reasons if they councal due to poor service from cleaner.
Doing targeted areas where all or most are bougt houses 1 off requests are at a minimum and i never do them as to me a waste of time when needing regular work so to stop canvassers signing regular 1 offs up i pay them for the odd few they get to stop any future issues!. As mad as it sounds it keeps good decent customers coming in without canvassers ripping me off. If 1 in 20 asks for 1 off which is roughly what it is then i just take the hit.
Also with all new customer i tell them id always unblock there gutters for free if any probs to compensate if they doubt my £10 frontal charge, it all works and customer appreaciates the fact im willing to go that little bit further to keep them happy.