[Andrew Willis]

OK how about some views on this

You have a cleaner on a step ladder
Cleaning in a public house
Ten feet from the ground
Dry dusting some areas using a mop

Should the cleaning company hire in something safer for him to use, protect him should he fall
Or would that be safety gone mad

Your thoughts please

 

[Ian101]

Can u fit a mewp into this pub or perhaps rope access however being serious 99% of window cleaners would just use the step ladders

[p1w1]

just work from the floor with an extension if its just dusting, however if the steps must be used then ideally you would want someone perhaps keeping the steps steady for extra safety..but in reality i would just go up the steps as that's what they are made for what other reason do you have them??
paul

[p1w1]

be interesting to hear dave morris reply on this as i believe he fell off some step ladders and broke his collar bone some time back  

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

Dave Morris broke his arm falling off a step ladder.

[formb]

Squeegee pole!!

Put cones round THE DANGER ZONE, wear a high viz uniform, Cordon off THE DANGER ZONE, get an orange man with a big drum to march round the perimeter of THE DANGER ZONE to ensure that any blind people do not walk into THE DANGER ZONE, or indeed trip over any cones or the cordon.  

In all seriousness though, absolutely no way I'd go up a 10 foot stepladder nowadays.

[trevor perry]

Dave Morris broke his arm falling off a step ladder.

Don't worry it has been dealt with should he fall again his risk assessment shows he has had training on how to land on his wallet  

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

get an orange man with a big drum to march round the perimeter of THE DANGER ZONE to ensure that any blind people do not walk into THE DANGER ZONE,

Will you have to hand out ear-muffs to protect the publics hearing from the drummers decibels?  

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

Dave Morris broke his arm falling off a step ladder.

Don't worry it has been dealt with should he fall again his risk assessment shows he has had training on how to land on his wallet  

Understandable 

Good point.

Risk well managed.   

[Moderator David@stives]

Hi Guys I fell off the second run of a 6 ft Pointer A-frame, inside an hospital believe it or not.

I think I know the case Andy is on about, I read about it last year, It was in Cornwall I think, Pelynt, Looe.

[trevor perry]

Last week I was talking to one of my domestic customers who has been an health and safety advisor for 35 years and he made a real valid point which was "when the safety at work act first came out in 1974 it was there to protect employees and public from unscrupulous employers who made them work in unsafe situations but now it has been turned on its head to try and protect employers from unscrupulous employees and public who try and claim for every misfortune hence all the need for training certificates etc which are only there to cover the employers ass and very little to do with safety"

[p1w1]

Last week I was talking to one of my domestic customers who has been an health and safety advisor for 35 years and he made a real valid point which was "when the safety at work act first came out in 1974 it was there to protect employees and public from unscrupulous employers who made them work in unsafe situations but now it has been turned on its head to try and protect employers from unscrupulous employees and public who try and claim for every misfortune hence all the need for training certificates etc which are only there to cover the employers ass and very little to do with safety"

I think your spot on there

[mark dew]

The trouble with steps is that it is hard to work off them facing the area you are cleaning. You are too far away.
The alternative is to work side on. Which i think is very dangerous because they aren't stable enough to stay upright if they move from side to side.

As said, better to have someone footing them.
 

[deeege]

The trouble with steps is that it is hard to work off them facing the area you are cleaning. You are too far away.
The alternative is to work side on. Which i think is very dangerous because they aren't stable enough to stay upright if they move from side to side.

As said, better to have someone footing them.
 

And then someone footing the person who is footing the ladder....

[Jim Waugh(Albright & Shiny)]

this is why as soon as I have the spare spondoolies Im ordering a set of these puppies.http://www.midlandladders.com/products/4_Rung_Little_Giant_Classic-410-74.html

[wfp master]

The trouble with steps is that it is hard to work off them facing the area you are cleaning. You are too far away.
The alternative is to work side on. Which i think is very dangerous because they aren't stable enough to stay upright if they move from side to side.

As said, better to have someone footing them.
 

And then someone footing the person who is footing the ladder....

while holding a pint.

[robertphil]

step ladders are increbibly lethal. 

[Andrew Willis]

be interesting to hear dave morris reply on this as i believe he fell off some step ladders and broke his collar bone some time back  

 

[Andrew Willis]

Dave Morris broke his arm falling off a step ladder.

Don't worry it has been dealt with should he fall again his risk assessment shows he has had training on how to land on his wallet  

 

[Andrew Willis]

Last week I was talking to one of my domestic customers who has been an health and safety advisor for 35 years and he made a real valid point which was "when the safety at work act first came out in 1974 it was there to protect employees and public from unscrupulous employers who made them work in unsafe situations but now it has been turned on its head to try and protect employers from unscrupulous employees and public who try and claim for every misfortune hence all the need for training certificates etc which are only there to cover the employers ass and very little to do with safety"

Actually your right the main reason is to protect you and others, like this its simple.

Re cases of action taken against, you are very unlikely to loos a case if you have done what various law requires, re cases for compensation this is through Civil courts once you have been found guilty of not complying, what I am against is cases settled out of court to save money. Also I would stop no win no fee.