[SunShineCleaning]

I have put several scenarios to the H&S forum and there response was far stricter than Andrews. You and others have demonstrated that you are not interested in the H&S forums opinion it appears because they don't agree with your view. Their qualifications are doubted and pespective questioned.

As for my picture on here you can criticise all you like.

The difference between a wise man and a foolish man is that the wise man will listen to the arguments of his enemy while the foolish man will not even listen to the advice of a friend.

 I hope the above was not directed at me as it was me that suggested you post it on the H and S forum for me to see their views , and now because you don't accept views of posts on here you post a saying that implies we are all foolish and viewed as your enemy, I can understand you being a little upset as some of the comments have been personal towards yourself but please try and ignore those and stick to the issue the thread was set up for.

My issue is that even when H&S people make a comment some people are immoveable in their view despite what advice is given. Personally I try to listen and act on all advice regardless of it's source.

As for the personal comments, it's a shame it comes to that as from most of my back posts it should be seen that I am trying to be helpful.

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

[Andrew Willis]

I have put several scenarios to the H&S forum and there response was far stricter than Andrews. You and others have demonstrated that you are not interested in the H&S forums opinion it appears because they don't agree with your view. Their qualifications are doubted and pespective questioned.

As for my picture on here you can criticise all you like.

The difference between a wise man and a foolish man is that the wise man will listen to the arguments of his enemy while the foolish man will not even listen to the advice of a friend.

 I hope the above was not directed at me as it was me that suggested you post it on the H and S forum for me to see their views , and now because you don't accept views of posts on here you post a saying that implies we are all foolish and viewed as your enemy, I can understand you being a little upset as some of the comments have been personal towards yourself but please try and ignore those and stick to the issue the thread was set up for.

My issue is that even when H&S people make a comment some people are immoveable in their view despite what advice is given. Personally I try to listen and act on all advice regardless of it's source.

As for the personal comments, it's a shame it comes to that as from most of my back posts it should be seen that I am trying to be helpful.

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

Windiewasher
Are you based in Grimsby?

[Andrew Willis]

Andrew from the posts above all have said they would use water fed pole on that job instead of a MEWP, reasons being they thought it safer, cheaper and quicker than using an MEWP, on your course you highlighted all the risks involved in using a pole and how these could be removed by cordoning off a large area when pointed out this was causing a greater risk then you moved on to bringing in access equipment, from all posts above they see using a MEWP carries a larger amount of risk than the first option.
  It would be great if we could eliminate all risk on every job but that is not the case and we just have to work with the best option we have got, having a legal ruling on cordoning off would not solve this issue.
  in the next few week I am carrying a job out at night it is cleaning of a large glass canopy we have done for many years uptil about 3 years ago it was always cleaned by water fed pole from a flat roof at base of canopy, suddenly health and safety got involved and we now have to use 20m MEWP as they decided flat roof access was no longer acceptable, before the job was a doddle now you are getting tangled in harness and pole hose, using the pole at extremely uncomfortable angles whilst trying to lean over to clean glass below you, what could of been done by two men in a couple of hours now takes two men all night an extra £400 in hire charges plus you have had to lift and manoeuvre at what I feel unacceptable angles for large amount of time. My opinion the first option was always safer but because flat roof access has now become a no go on many commercial buildings they have now made this job more dangerous, having a legal ruling on an issue often does away with any common sense and often rules out what would be the best approach.
  I highlighted the job above as I know from your course you feel flat roof access in unacceptable and many of your points where valid ie how do we know for sure the surface we are going to stand on can take our weight and how can this possibly be assessed accurately, I totally agree but sometimes it is still the best option

Not really, try giving Charlie Price of JVPrice a call he has MEWPs with built in hoses into the machine, designed just for the reason you mention, its about selecting the correct equipment.

OK Lets put some views on this

You have a cleaner on a step ladder in a public house
Ten feet from the ground
Dry dusting some areas using a mop
Should I hire in something safer, protect him should he fall
Or would that be safety gone mad

Your thoughts please

Regards  Andy

 This again was an item on your course and if I remember right the cleaner died and brewery got a very large fine. Ideally better equipment could of been used ie podium steps with built in guard rails or clean with extension poles, but just like any other piece of equipment if a step ladder was used correctly by not using top 3 steps to stand on always maintain 3 points of contact, not overstretching and it being positioned on firm level ground then a step ladder would be sufficient for the job.
  Are we not going a little of subject here though after hearing many experienced window cleaners views on the pictures that where posted would you not agree WFP was the safer option, may be sunshine cleaning can put the pictures on the health and safety forum he goes on I would be really interested for him to post back their views on the matter.

[formb]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

[windiewasher]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

+1 lol

[SunShineCleaning]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

+1 lol

Do you want me to explain the difference between a Pseudonym and Business name?

[windiewasher]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

+1 lol

Do you want me to explain the difference between a Pseudonym and Business name?

Oh please me enlighten us mr ray of sunshine.
Anyway ill leave you to it as i cant be bothered to read your posts.

[Andrew Willis]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

+1 lol

Do you want me to explain the difference between a Pseudonym and Business name?

Oh please me enlighten us mr ray of sunshine.
Anyway ill leave you to it as i cant be bothered to read your posts.

Windiewasher

Please tell me you are not the window cleaner from Grimsby that drives around in a tatty motor with signs that are stuck on a board with letters peeling and missing, because if its you that's shocking that you have the balls to come on CIU and mock a smart professional window cleaner like Stuart,  In fact how about loading up a photo of your set up. It would be nice on here to know who we are talking to in these posts.

[trevor perry]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

+1 lol

Do you want me to explain the difference between a Pseudonym and Business name?

Oh please me enlighten us mr ray of sunshine.
Anyway ill leave you to it as i cant be bothered to read your posts.

Windiewasher

Please tell me you are not the window cleaner from Grimsby that drives around in a tatty motor with signs that are stuck on a board with letters peeling and missing, because if its you that's shocking that you have the balls to come on CIU and mock a smart professional window cleaner like Stuart,  In fact how about loading up a photo of your set up. It would be nice on here to know who we are talking to in these posts.

If this is him and his car has insurance and a current MOT  why should his view be any less important than yours, both you and Suart have conveniently tried to change the subject of this thread that being the safest way to clean the windows in the pictures posted, I could put many shocking links up to show fatalities that have occurred using MEWP yet you still insist that option would be safer than using a WFP as this could drop on someone yet you fail to show any accidents where injuries have occurred from this.
 I have been accused by Stuart and yourself that I do not accept reason when it is put before me so please enlighten me and every other poster to this thread or be a man and accept on this occasion you could of been mistaken.
 

[windiewasher]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

+1 lol

Do you want me to explain the difference between a Pseudonym and Business name?

Oh please me enlighten us mr ray of sunshine.
Anyway ill leave you to it as i cant be bothered to read your posts.

Windiewasher

Please tell me you are not the window cleaner from Grimsby that drives around in a tatty motor with signs that are stuck on a board with letters peeling and missing, because if its you that's shocking that you have the balls to come on CIU and mock a smart professional window cleaner like Stuart,  In fact how about loading up a photo of your set up. It would be nice on here to know who we are talking to in these posts.

If this is him and his car has insurance and a current MOT  why should his view be any less important than yours, both you and Suart have conveniently tried to change the subject of this thread that being the safest way to clean the windows in the pictures posted, I could put many shocking links up to show fatalities that have occurred using MEWP yet you still insist that option would be safer than using a WFP as this could drop on someone yet you fail to show any accidents where injuries have occurred from this.
 I have been accused by Stuart and yourself that I do not accept reason when it is put before me so please enlighten me and every other poster to this thread or be a man and accept on this occasion you could of been mistaken.
 

Its not me but i will be passing the message onto the bloke who andrew is talking about.
My van has no signage at the moment.
 thanks for your comments on here trevor you seem a very leved headed business man thats answers honest and sensibly.

[DG Cleaning]

Windiwasher, I'm not running the FWC I'm just a member. I don't care if you join or not. However, if I was running it I would expect members to be man enough to use their real names and not hide behind a pseudonym.

What like SunShineCleaning?

+1 lol

Do you want me to explain the difference between a Pseudonym and Business name?

Oh please me enlighten us mr ray of sunshine.
Anyway ill leave you to it as i cant be bothered to read your posts.

Windiewasher

Please tell me you are not the window cleaner from Grimsby that drives around in a tatty motor with signs that are stuck on a board with letters peeling and missing, because if its you that's shocking that you have the balls to come on CIU and mock a smart professional window cleaner like Stuart,  In fact how about loading up a photo of your set up. It would be nice on here to know who we are talking to in these posts.

Window cleaner snobbery gotta love it

[Moderator David@stives]

We all started the same way, clapped out estate car, dodgy sign writing, first step to becoming a millionaire, everyone has to take that first step.

For me when i started I borrowed a ladder, bought an all in one squeegee and used my rust bucket sierra sapphire, sometimes I do despair at these comments

[formb]

Escort estate for me....

What a machine.