[SunShineCleaning]

I have the pictures from Andrew plus some comments:

Andrew Willis
Working at height consultant, senior partner for eight years working for top 10 managing agents,
38 years in the industry using or managing access equipment,
NEBOSH and various Health and Safety Qualifications

During this property audit and consultancy the team consisted Safety manager for Management agent, Director of the window cleaning company and EHO all agree that the way forward was to bring back the use of a MEWP.

During the day my images were used not to discus the use of the MEWP more about simple controls required such as using demarcation to the height of a pole during the risk assessment process, just so happens Trevor went to town on the whole set up, When Trevor challenged the safety of bringing in the kit I said there was no problems, there is road access and the other areas are load bearing and or are boarded 

 
Image 1 show window cleaner at work, 6.10am, issue was him dropping the pole on public


Image 2 shows access from main street no access problems, safe to get MEWP dropped off and positioned




Image 3 shows a different view



Image 4 shows also glass above and to the left of glass being cleaned in the image , also has to be cleaned



Image 5 also used in the training



The EHO at the time did not want the main road closed and we could not agree on the use of pole being dropped into the road.

[trevor perry]

Thanks for posting those pictures would look forward to others posts on what methods they would use.

[trevor perry]

on image no 2 would the road not have to be closed to use a cherrypicker

[Andrew Willis]

on image no 2 would the road not have to be closed to use a cherrypicker

No the road is blocked at the top, no through road access

[Andrew Willis]

Thanks for posting those pictures would look forward to others posts on what methods they would use.

Trevor, would it be a good idea that those posting

A .......Happy to ID themselves, its easy to hide behind an alias
B .......Knowledge, experience and Qualifications

Whilst posting are you going to challenge the FWC for clear legal status on this issue

Regards


Andrew

[Dave Willis]

First and last images I don't see it a problem. Work out of normal hours, maybe a couple of warning cones either side of the work area, straighten the hose up. If any members of the public decide to walk right through the working area then surely that's their risk assessment going wrong unless of course they can't read.



a) Dave Willis

b) A level in common sense

[PoleKing]

Sunshine. Your obsessed.
H&S morons are ruining our country.
Don't encourage them.

[trevor perry]

Thanks for posting those pictures would look forward to others posts on what methods they would use.

Trevor, would it be a good idea that those posting

A .......Happy to ID themselves, its easy to hide behind an alias
B .......Knowledge, experience and Qualifications

Whilst posting are you going to challenge the FWC for clear legal status on this issue

Regards


Andrew

  Personally I would leave it up to persons choice whether they post  that information but it would be good if people posted who do have experience of cleaning largish commercial buildings.
   As for challenging the FWC for clear legal status on the issue i cant see a need unless accident statistics start to show there are injuries occurring from falling poles and then I would say there is a need for it to be looked at,  but at present I feel there guidance notes are sufficient.
   You are far more qualified than me and obviously know much more on how a judge would view the situation if an accident occurred but I seriously think a contractor would be hammered no matter what method they used should an accident occur, for instance scenario 1 a WFP falls and hits someone judge verdict you did not put sufficient measures in place to stop falling object. Scenario 2 an accident occurs using cherrypicker whether it be a  minor one are a major one judge verdict why did you use access equipment when job could of been carried out safely from the ground, I know the above is a very simplified version and your risk assessment would be viewed more closely but I cant see how getting legal status on the cordoning of issue would clear up the dilemma
   Once again thanks for posting the pictures,I know people have very strong views on this subject and it often turns into a bash Andrew thread me myself also being guilty of this so please can posters try to raise valid points without getting to personal.
 

[DG Cleaning]

Sunshine. Your obsessed.
H&S morons are ruining our country.
Don't encourage them.

 

[Dave Willis]

Does cost not come into the equation?

The giy with proper wfp equipment, rams etc. is going to undercut the guy with access equipment and extra staff every time surely?

It seems the ladder argument has been removed only to be replaced with wfp considered too dangerous for the public.

What next? Mewps too dangerous?

How come abseiling is still allowed?

[DaveG]

Sunshine. Your obsessed.
H&S morons are ruining our country.
Don't encourage them.

 

+1 

[wfp master]

Who cares.

[mark dew]

Work out of hours

Park van right in front

Put cones left and right of van to encourage walk around

pole the glass in a more vertical position 75degree angle or so

get away asap to avoid obstructing

jobs a good un.

Would use a trolley if no vehicle access

[king marko]

Sunshine. Your obsessed.
H&S morons are ruining our country.
Don't encourage them.

 

+1 

+2 

[AuRavelling79]

+3 

Danger of dropping a pole on the public! 

What about danger of running over public due to blind spot on mewp?

I would say the chances of dropping a pole and running into someone are similar.

My method.


Go when it's quiet. Cone up.

Possibly have a second guy there to warn public if it's not as quiet as I thought.

[deeege]

Yawn! This topic is getting very boring!
 

[CleanClear]

The building owner should fit self cleaning glass so as to eliminate all risks. Or fit windows that turn inside out, they should be mandatory and part of the building regs 

[windiewasher]

Yawn! This topic is getting very boring!
 

+1

[windiewasher]

I better get a cherry picker as looks like the pole system will be banned, phew

[wpclean]

Sunshine do you have a large shed in your garden ?