Rotovac

« **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2006, 08:55:30 pm »

Although the drimaster is working on a rotary principle it is still HWE so it does come under recomended use.

Goron

« **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2006, 09:04:11 pm »

I think the same, Gordon.

I have red comments here that Drimaster can deliver superb result under 300 psi, so to my understanding it is a kind of gentle gigant…

Regards,

Arthur

« **Reply #22 on:** March 21, 2006, 08:51:53 am »

Goron, you are right in that the Drimaster is a form of hwe but as far as I know that it is rotary it is still not recomended but that is what I think again I dont know. With regards using it I wouldnt for reasons I have explained before, I get paid to well to use a Drimaster and have to do "normal" work again................................... Arthur I dont take offence at anyone particularly yourself as you are generally asking on things you need an answer too not to cause an argument....... with regards your comment on Drimaster, see above................ I will send you an e-mail as to clean off stipulations to save maybe causing a riot on here................... I am not into computers too much and wouldnt know how to send you to where but I am sure someone else on here knows how too. Other than that just look on Shaw's web site where they recommend hwe.....Interface Tiles also recommend hwe, as do Collins and Aikman, as do Tandus.............. The fact that between these companies they provide, I think so dont quote me on it, over 60% of carpeting through out the world then that would suggest that most cleaning should be hwe. There are company's that dont recommend any type over another and that used to be about 20%...... at this point we are at 80%.......With only 20% left, there to my knowledge is still no company that suggests any other type of cleaning other than hwe........ Just as a talking point lets say these 20% of company's suggested any form of cleaning other than hwe extraction and to say the obvious that would leave 2 in 10 customers...... The fact that most people dont even clean their carpets then it will always be easier to find a customer with hwe as your arsenal....... When comapany's over here start to do as they do in the U.S....... suggest to the public to have their carpets cleaned at least once a year and by hwe then life will be so much easier for us as cleaners, as the public will know they should clean their carpets and also how they should be cleaned..... It is always open to debate which is a good thing but again, let me know of any supplier or manufacturer that recommends any other form of cleaning other than hwe and I will by all means listen to their argument, till then I shall clean as requested to with hwe...... If all machines cost the same amount of money, what do you think would sell the most and be honest. I know we all need different machines for spotting and upholstery but I think you know the idea of my question..... Best, Dave....

« **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2006, 09:16:49 am »

Dave I have just looked at Show's website. They do recommend HWE, but they do not object to rotary machines, what the do say is that it is important not to over wet the carpet. DriMaster (HWE system) user will leave carpet dryer than any wand user. Now I bet you will buy one soon.

Best regards,
Arthur

« **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2006, 12:04:17 pm »

I am glad you looked up the info so you now know why most cleaners use hwe. I have nothing against the Drimaster but for reasons I have explained before I wouldnt buy one. Best, Dave. P.S. Would you really want to put the Drimaster on a £500 a yard carpet and run the risk of ruining it. Bearing in mind that insurance would not cover it, I wouldnt either.......

« **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2006, 02:19:22 pm »

hi barbara of cleanest carpets looked at the photo of the carpet and i do not want to sound as though i am critical as i am not. is this the normal finish of a rotovac as i use a rdm and find i do not get the pattern that your machine has created. regards pete

« **Reply #26 on:** March 22, 2006, 01:25:08 pm »

Quote from: Liahona on March 21, 2006, 12:04:17 pm

...Would you really want to put the Drimaster on a £500 a yard carpet and run the risk of ruining it...

Dave, I have to admit I have never seen a £500 a yard carpet…

I do not know why it would be so expensive. Could you say is it an exclusive design or do they use very expensive materials to make it?

And how do you supposed to look after a £500 a yard carpet, can you hoover it or Sebo would tear it to pieces?

Do you aggitate a £500 a yard carpet, if yes how, what do you use?

Regards,
Arthur

« **Reply #27 on:** March 22, 2006, 04:46:09 pm »

toothbrush

« **Reply #28 on:** March 22, 2006, 10:48:37 pm »

Arthur, I dont vacuum the carpets before I clean as this is done in house and these vacuums are either center vacuums or at least suction only.... therefore you are correct, I wouldnt use a sebo or a hoover.... .... A lot of what I clean is just wool but some are blends of silks and wool and some are just all silk which are a little bit more expensive...... On the whole the carpets probably arent worth the 4 or 500 that is spent on them however the market dictates that amount of monies and accordingly the people pay the amount asked for...... No I dont aggitate in anyway on this type of carpeting but having said that I dont agitate any carpet........ To the design question, yes some of the designs are exclusive which of course creates a very high price........ some of what I clean is hundred of years old and would be difficult to replace and consequently can be priced at thousands for only a few yards of carpeting......... Maybe now you can understand why I wouldnt put any rotary type of machine on these textiles. Hope this helps in answer to your questions but feel free to keep them coming....... Also maybe you can now understand why I clean how I do so as to keep these type of customers......... Although meant tounge in cheek I am sure but as far as the tooth brush goes....... they are usually nylon and very hard and would damage the pile/face fiber so no I wouldnt use one. Having said that they are and can be used around the edges with care. As always, best, Dave.

« **Reply #29 on:** March 22, 2006, 11:35:00 pm »

Dave,

Thank you for your post, interesting, in particular about using toothbrush around the edges…

I bet you have given it a try.

Quote from: Liahona on March 22, 2006, 10:48:37 pm

... A lot of what I clean is just wool but some are blends of silks and wool and some are just all silk which are a little bit more expensive...
... No I dont aggitate in anyway on this type of carpeting but having said that I dont agitate any carpet...

Could you tell what your techniques are for the above :

if it is not a secrete?

Quote from: Liahona on March 22, 2006, 10:48:37 pm

...some of what I clean is hundred of years old and would be difficult to replace and consequently can be priced at thousands for only a few yards of carpeting...
Maybe now you can understand why I wouldnt put any rotary type of machine on these textiles...

Do you clean antique carpets using HWE method?

Regards,

Arthur

« **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2006, 12:13:26 am »

Arthur, I pretty much use hwe on most cleanings but you have to bear in mind appying a solution with a pipette and using an airline vacuum is still hwe. Sometimes I will use various forms of alcohol as the "water" but this is at room temperature so of course not hot....... Some antiques I will just use an airline to extract what I can in the dry state and may not use any moisture to clean with at all. ........Some textiles I put in a tumbler machine with solvent impregnated sawdust to do the cleaning for me. Then as I remove the sawdust I remove the soils too......... I dont have any secrets about what I do. The main difference in what I do is that it takes sometimes forever to complete certain jobs. Accordingly I charge a lot more for what I do........you also need a lot of patience which fortunately I have........ Linen carpets can take forever to do as you have to or should, hand brush each wand stroke with cotton rags or synthetic shammies...... I have tried to cover the wand head with the same but never works as well...... Lastly, yes I have used a tooth brush many a time.... Best, Dave.

« **Reply #31 on:** March 23, 2006, 09:31:37 pm »

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colin

ps it does make me laff!

« **Reply #32 on:** March 24, 2006, 03:51:13 pm »

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« **Reply #33 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:22:27 pm »

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« **Reply #34 on:** March 24, 2006, 04:26:24 pm »

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« **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2006, 02:01:29 pm »

Dave,

RE: your wand, the best wand in the world you said, did you not...

At what PSI do you normally work?

How much water do you recover from the carpet?

What average drying time can you deliver?

Regards,

Arthur

« **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2006, 05:38:43 pm »

Arthur, I think I said arguably the best wand, but to date I havent found a better one........ PSI depends on what I am cleaning, normally I will use between 4 and 500...... Linens much lower as for silks and needle point carpets too...... Not sure how to answer how much water that I recover, more than most maybe, not as much as others?

again dont know how to answer the question.... Same with your question on drying times. If I left an inch thick wool carpet to dry on its own then it would take forever and that goes for any wet system, that is why I use air movers and sometimes de-hu's as well. An 1800 knot per square inch silk carpet needs to be forced dried too as does a 3200 knot rug and 6400, get the idea?

When I clean larger properties of maybe 30 or 40,000 square feet of carpet then at the end of each day most all that I had cleaned in the morning would be dry. What I leave behind wet would soon be dry as I would leave air movers as mentioned before. I suppose in some sort of answer, I force dry almost everything that I clean....... I know this doesnt really answer your questions but they cant really be answered can they? Best, Dave...... For what its worth most techs have their own reasons for liking or disliking what they may or may not use accordingly. Having said that the wand that I use still has the highest spec on it for performance and heat retention. To my limited knowledge it is still unique in its design and I am sure it has a patent on it so it cant be copied but of that I dont know for certain....

« **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2006, 06:12:56 pm »

Quote from: Liahona on March 25, 2006, 05:38:43 pm

...Not sure how to answer how much water that I recover...

Dave, let me put it differently:

You have a water and the waist tanks, do not you.

Your water tank had 200 liters (it was not full

) You started cleaning an average carpet. After the water finished how many liters of waist would you have? Do not try to by precise, approximately.

Thank you for talking to me!

Regards,

Arthur

« **Reply #38 on:** March 25, 2006, 06:40:59 pm »

Arthur, I think I get your question now.. Is it that you want to know the percentage I pick up of what I put down? Havent the foggiest idea. Nor do I care. I would pick up an awful lot more than any portable but also put down more than "most" portables. Again I haven't got a clue and not only that, that I force dry the carpet anyway it doesnt really make the slightest difference. For some reason and I am not sure why I know that you are set on a CFR machine and that you are also interested in the Rotovac. Please please please go on courses and learn about the industry that you talk a lot about of but by self admitance know so little of actually cleaning, then see each machine for their good and bad points and then go and buy a truck mount, as your first arsenal. What else after you may or may not buy is up to you but for first "attack against the soil" get your self a truck mount, or Steve Gunns portable, way better than what it is you seem to desire, best, Dave.

« **Reply #39 on:** March 25, 2006, 08:34:42 pm »

Dave,

I have already arranged CC curses and would not buy a CC machine before that...

... I would love to challenge you

Kind regards,

Arthur

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