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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2013, 02:18:16 pm »
Called it.

10 things that make a good worker:

1 Comes into work on time every day.
2 Doesn't take days off.
3 Doesn't get 'ill'.
4 Doesn't get mondayitis
5 Comes into work everyday.
6 Doesn't take days off
7 Is not a skiver
8 Understands that you need him in EVERY DAY
9 Never misses a day.
10 Comes into work EVERY DAY.

Any issue you have with an employee (attitude, speed of work,  customer relations etc) can be solved provided they come into work EVERY DAY.

It's window cleaning, you can teach any one to do it, provided they come into work EVERY DAY.

robertphil

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2013, 02:50:57 pm »
left leg or right leg?     if you hav time sit in a car near his home ,see if he limps on the correct leg when he goes out his front door

davids3511

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2013, 03:26:26 pm »
Called it.

10 things that make a good worker:

1 Comes into work on time every day.
2 Doesn't take days off.
3 Doesn't get 'ill'.
4 Doesn't get mondayitis
5 Comes into work everyday.
6 Doesn't take days off
7 Is not a skiver
8 Understands that you need him in EVERY DAY
9 Never misses a day.
10 Comes into work EVERY DAY.

Any issue you have with an employee (attitude, speed of work,  customer relations etc) can be solved provided they come into work EVERY DAY.

It's window cleaning, you can teach any one to do it, provided they come into work EVERY DAY.
Yeah, I seem to remember you mentioning it was quite important he turned in every day :)

davids3511

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2013, 03:27:26 pm »
left leg or right leg?     if you hav time sit in a car near his home ,see if he limps on the correct leg when he goes out his front door
Can't be bothered with that, falling out an upstairs window will take time to heal, I'm sure Ill see some signs if he comes back to work.

Richard iSparkle

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2013, 08:58:45 pm »
personally i would sack him right away.

he could take pain killers and come in.  if it was obvious he was in bad pain you could send him home.

it's BS.  if he really wanted the job he would be in trying to work thru it

iSparkle Window Cleaning

www.isparklewindowcleaning.uk

formb

Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2013, 09:08:01 pm »
If I had been in a new job 2 weeks and I fell out a window and got an owie on my leg I would hobble to work.

dave0123

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2013, 09:11:30 pm »
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Started 2 weeks ago today. Been going ok, picking it up pretty well. Got text yesterday morning -

Hi, Hurt my leg Friday night. Been to hospital and nothing is broken but its very painful to walk. Will let you know when I can come back to work.


What would you do? Do I sack and start over again or give him the benefit of the doubt?

David i thought you where going down the franchise route and had at least one franchisee from what i can remember from here.

Whats made you employ someone again?
Dave.

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #27 on: July 09, 2013, 10:50:47 am »
Good to know he is not lying , You should have a chat with him about what you expect of him in certain  circumstances and that been open and honest and communicating properly .

Will enable the both of you to earn the trust and respect of each other . Mike

But you said sack him in your initial post.

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #28 on: July 09, 2013, 10:55:17 am »
So at the employment tribunal 'Why did you sack this fella?'

'Well, cos someone on the Internet, who i dont know and who admittedly has never met the fella said to. Yes, its true, quite honestly he could be an 11 year old troll who gets his kicks in life from talking giblets to total strangers. Now you put it like that I get your drift'.

Case closed.

formb

Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #29 on: July 09, 2013, 11:02:12 am »
Quote from: MATT BATEMAN
So at the employment tribunal 'Why did you sack this fella?'

'Well, cos someone on the Internet, who i dont know and who admittedly has never met the fella said to. Yes, its true, quite honestly he could be an 11 year old troll who gets his kicks in life from talking giblets to total strangers. Now you put it like that I get your drift'.

Case closed.

You can't take an employer to an unfair dismissal tribunal if you have only worked somewhere for 2 weeks.

I get your point though. Other people cannot make this decision for you; they have never met this guy let alone know whether he is fit for the old heave ho.

MATT BATEMAN (OWC)

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #30 on: July 09, 2013, 11:58:37 am »
  8)

It's the principal.

People on here saying sack him. If an employer sacked someone because someone on the Internet told them to they really shouldn't be employing in the first case. In fact if thats the case breathing shouldn't really be privelige they're entitled too. :-)

Matt.

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #31 on: July 09, 2013, 12:03:37 pm »
Sack him mate, he's using you for the days he wants to work. Cherry picking. I have a lad who suffers with mondayitis!!!!, but according to the medical expert I get my advise off, mondayitis is very contagious, therefore a full week off to recover is required every time, and he does it coz he thinks he can get away with it, coz we so busy. But I would rather cut me nose off than give into him. His wages this week = £0.00 after tax.

Full week off last week and came in yesterday to find out his job is in the job Center, don't hold no hopes for anyone from jobby tho.

Experienced window cleaner required - Liverpool area

Best a luck mate

Matt.

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #32 on: July 09, 2013, 12:06:19 pm »
You have to be in a job 2 years now before you can go to a tribunal

davids3511

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #33 on: July 09, 2013, 01:36:04 pm »
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Started 2 weeks ago today. Been going ok, picking it up pretty well. Got text yesterday morning -

Hi, Hurt my leg Friday night. Been to hospital and nothing is broken but its very painful to walk. Will let you know when I can come back to work.


What would you do? Do I sack and start over again or give him the benefit of the doubt?

David i thought you where going down the franchise route and had at least one franchisee from what i can remember from here.

Whats made you employ someone again?
I am going down the franchise route but was hoping to have a big chunk of the new work upfront rather than a mad scramble to pick up a couple of hundred customers in 3 months. The employee also gives me the extra capacity to keep picking up customers at a high rate all year round. With the franchisee I find they want work in spurts. When they have settled in after about 6 months they want about 60 more, then another 50 then 50 more at the year mark. I am up to my tits all the time so need help to take on a good number all year round.

davids3511

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #34 on: July 09, 2013, 01:39:36 pm »
With regard tho the guy on the sick I'm going to give him a chance. I know what he did was stupid but I do believe him with regard to what happened. He has a 2 mile walk to the tram to get in then I have him leafletting 2 days a week too. I can see how if he has hurt his legs he may not be up to that.

formb

Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #35 on: July 09, 2013, 01:41:27 pm »
Quote from: Matty
You have to be in a job 2 years now before you can go to a tribunal

Also by the end of this month claimants will have to pay to take an employer to a tribunal.

http://www.sasdaniels.co.uk/2013/01/23/employment-tribunal-fees-to-be-introduced-in-2013/

 :)

Knocker

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #36 on: July 09, 2013, 03:29:28 pm »
I bet you £1 that he has at least 5 days off work in the next 4 weeks.

davids3511

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #37 on: July 09, 2013, 03:44:55 pm »
I bet you £1 that he has at least 5 days off work in the next 4 weeks.
You might be right but I hope not.

robertphil

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #38 on: July 09, 2013, 04:26:03 pm »
post up a foto of his eyes . if they are anywhere near half shut i know he will let you down

brianbarber

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Re: New guy on sick already
« Reply #39 on: July 09, 2013, 04:41:56 pm »
In my previous job, I had it in employee contracts,


Any reason why you can't come to work must be notifed by telephone by 8am that day.
We do not accept texts or emails.

Mr B
If in doubt.....Leave it out !!