[Smudger]

Tadgh - which one of the 'truely Eco friendly' products would be best for cleaning heavily soiled conny roofs guttering etc

Don't get so upset RC all these chemicals have some effect on the surface by their very nature they remove more than dirt even if its a microscopic amount

Darran

[Tadgh O Shea]

To be fair many people say the cleaning industry is a dirty industry, one of the reasons for this is that most companies promote caustic,corrosive,and toxic harsh cleaning chemicals never revealing the truth about the true damage that these harsh cleaning chemicals will cause to surfaces from continuous use.
Yes its true to say i am coming from the green cleaning side of the fence. but i had to make the move because i valued my health,my clients surfaces, and finally realized after many years not to trust the big companies producing these harsh cleaning chemicals, i am happy to share my experience on this forum in the hope it can be of benefit. I am also happy to share this information under no obligation for any one to make the change for using safer cleaning solutions.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Darran, for deep cleaning conny roofs i would recommend a heavy duty degreaser based on micelles technology. dilute it 5-1 with water and pre spray the solution onto the surface, the secret to working with micelles technology is dwell time and agitation, because micelles technology is non-caustic, and non-corrosive, it will not break down the ingrained soils like high alkaline based chemicals do. but micelles solutions will not cause damage to UPVC,glass,rubbers,plastics,etc.
Again Darran if you google micelles technology you will find many suppliers in the UK.

[Smudger]

Thanks !

From your reply you don't supply to the uk ?

Darran

[R.C Property]

Tadgh - which one of the 'truely Eco friendly' products would be best for cleaning heavily soiled conny roofs guttering etc

Don't get so upset RC all these chemicals have some effect on the surface by their very nature they remove more than dirt even if its a microscopic amount

Darran

im not getting upset or aything, just saying that if they do damage to things then they wont be on sale.

im just saying that the one i use is used to clean multi million pound food plant machinery, so that must be saying one thing!

[R.C Property]

To be fair many people say the cleaning industry is a dirty industry, one of the reasons for this is that most companies promote caustic,corrosive,and toxic harsh cleaning chemicals never revealing the truth about the true damage that these harsh cleaning chemicals will cause to surfaces from continuous use.
Yes its true to say i am coming from the green cleaning side of the fence. but i had to make the move because i valued my health,my clients surfaces, and finally realized after many years not to trust the big companies producing these harsh cleaning chemicals, i am happy to share my experience on this forum in the hope it can be of benefit. I am also happy to share this information under no obligation for any one to make the change for using safer cleaning solutions.

regarding the heath and safey etc then thats going a bit far really, these are not dangerous when used by the correct people and following all the instructions.  if they are that bad they wouldnt sell them.

[elite mike]

i think you will find ecover is non caustic and eco friendly

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Darran, yes we have many clients in the UK, who use our safe to use cleaning solutions.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Richard, i am not looking to argue with you, i am just sharing my experience of working with high alkaline based cleaning chemicals for many years, to this end i stopped trusting the big companies producing harsh cleaning chemicals many years ago as i saw first hand the damage they can cause to surfaces, i am also not saying that micelles technology is the safest cleaning technology thats available, as with todays advances in cleaning science there are many other safe cleaning technologies  appearing on the market.
We are even looking at a new technology ourselves, but we will test it over 3 months to see how safe it is on a multitude of surfaces, then if we are happy we will promote it to our clients. Again Richard i have to repeat we dont trust the big companies.

[Smudger]

Risk Phrases
R36/38 Irritating to eyes and skin.
Safety Phrases
S2 Keep out of the reach of children., S23 Do not breathe vapour/spray., S26 In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice., S36/37/39 Wear suitable protective clothing, gloves and eye/face protection., S46 If swallowed, seek medical advice immediately and show this container or label., S51 Use only in well-ventilated areas.

Sounds like lovely stuff Richard and there is a world of  difference cleaning the wetabix factory which is all 316 stainless steel and ceramic tile floors and applying it to white Upvc and clear polycarbonate panels

Darran

[R.C Property]

Richard, i am not looking to argue with you, i am just sharing my experience of working with high alkaline based cleaning chemicals for many years, to this end i stopped trusting the big companies producing harsh cleaning chemicals many years ago as i saw first hand the damage they can cause to surfaces, i am also not saying that micelles technology is the safest cleaning technology thats available, as with todays advances in cleaning science there are many other safe cleaning technologies  appearing on the market.
We are even looking at a new technology ourselves, but we will test it over 3 months to see how safe it is on a multitude of surfaces, then if we are happy we will promote it to our clients. Again Richard i have to repeat we dont trust the big companies.

im not arguing in any way, you are the only person that has had any trouble with this stuff, so maybe there was a reason behind this?? i dont know.

Selden has been going for 45 years and  manufacture a wide range of specialised cleaning and maintenance chemicals for the professional cleaning, industrial and automotive markets, they have a 10+ acre site with there warehouse and reseach in the uk and several others around the world. so they know there stuff and what there products are good to be used on.
at the end of the day if they tell you that they are good for a job and they are not, then they are just as liabe for selling the product to you for that use!

this is why i spoke and deal with these as they have a high rep for cleaning agents.

[R.C Property]

Risk Phrases
R36/38 Irritating to eyes and skin.
Safety Phrases
S2 Keep out of the reach of children., S23 Do not breathe vapour/spray., S26 In case of contact with eyes, rinse immediately with plenty of water and seek medical advice., S36/37/39 Wear suitable protective clothing, gloves and eye/face protection., S46 If swallowed, seek medical advice immediately and show this container or label., S51 Use only in well-ventilated areas.

Sounds like lovely stuff Richard and there is a world of  difference cleaning the wetabix factory which is all 316 stainless steel and ceramic tile floors and applying it to white Upvc and clear polycarbonate panels

Darran

any cleaning product that you buy has this sort of warning, its called covering there bum! lol

and its not just floor tiles they use it on, its the machines that makes the wetabix too! so food safe!! lol

[bobplum]

i think pure water does a good job

[R.C Property]

now look at the COSHH of UBIK 2000

risk phrases:- R38: irritating to skin, R41 Risk of serious damage to eyes

Saftey phrases:- S24/25 Avoid contact with skin and eyes, S64 If swallowed, rinse mouth with water (only if the person is conscious)

so thats got worse risks than the one i use! at least mine wont send you blind if you get it in your eyes!

[Smudger]

I don't use ubik  

The point is all these chemicals are pretty much the same just slight adjustments in the ingredients

All will clean Upvc but all contain limited amounts of nasty stuff that over time will rot and ruin plastic ( this could take years for all I know )

But there are friendlier alternatives, less likely to damage plastic which is what tadgh was politely trying to point out.

If you have an in grained stain all these products mentioned will not completely remove the mark you need a restorer which like t-cut removes some of the surface and like t cut on a car use it too often and you'll have no paint left on your car, but its perfectly safe too use - think about it

Darran

[R.C Property]

I don't use ubik  

The point is all these chemicals are pretty much the same just slight adjustments in the ingredients

All will clean Upvc but all contain limited amounts of nasty stuff that over time will rot and ruin plastic ( this could take years for all I know )

But there are friendlier alternatives, less likely to damage plastic which is what tadgh was politely trying to point out.

If you have an in grained stain all these products mentioned will not completely remove the mark you need a restorer which like t-cut removes some of the surface and like t cut on a car use it too often and you'll have no paint left on your car, but its perfectly safe too use - think about it

Darran

i agree, there are eco products that are friendlier etc,

Tadgh was putting it across in a way a sales man would say, by saying that all the others are not safe to use and the eco ones he deals with are the only safe ones to use. everything on the market is safe to use, otherwise it wont be allowed to sell them.

as for the T-Cut is a bit of a poor example as this is disigned to take a small lay of paint off,  so yes if you keep using it will casue damage.

[Tadgh O Shea]

Hi Richard, i have never used the product you mentioned, but i did look at the msds and can guarantee you its a product that will never be used by any of our staff to clean our clients surfaces.
Just a bit of advice for you Richard, a customer is someone you might do business with on just a one off.
A client is someone who develops trust with you and you do business with them on a regular basis.
One of the reasons we stopped using high alkaline based cleaning chemicals many years ago was because we noticed first hand the damage they were causing to our clients surfaces as we were cleaning them on a regular basis, you will not notice the damage on one off cleans, as its from continuous use that these high alkaline based cleaning chemicals cause the detrimental damage. As i mentioned earlier we value our health and that of our staff plus our clients surfaces.
I am just sharing my experience in the hope that it can be of benefit to others, as i have picked up many helpful tips and techniques from other members on the CIU forum.

[supernova77]

Virosol all day long for me.

Andy 

[R.C Property]

Hi Richard, i have never used the product you mentioned, but i did look at the msds and can guarantee you its a product that will never be used by any of our staff to clean our clients surfaces.
Just a bit of advice for you Richard, a customer is someone you might do business with on just a one off.
A client is someone who develops trust with you and you do business with them on a regular basis.
One of the reasons we stopped using high alkaline based cleaning chemicals many years ago was because we noticed first hand the damage they were causing to our clients surfaces as we were cleaning them on a regular basis, you will not notice the damage on one off cleans, as its from continuous use that these high alkaline based cleaning chemicals cause the detrimental damage. As i mentioned earlier we value our health and that of our staff plus our clients surfaces.
I am just sharing my experience in the hope that it can be of benefit to others, as i have picked up many helpful tips and techniques from other members on the CIU forum.

if the products was causing damage to surfaces then they maybe was being used wrongly and maybe at the wrong dilution, or even just the wrong product because you got told it was great without looking into it. i also have clients not just customers as you put it and no damage has been cause by any of the other products i use, plus work along side several large cleaning compaines that i talk about cleaning products with and they have had no reported problems with theres products or surfaces.

i also have a high H&S thats why i always make sure anyone that is using the stuff with me at any time has read up, and knows how to use chemicals etc,

[Tadgh O Shea]

OK Richard, i have been in the industry for over 30 years and as i said i was happy to share my experience of working with high alkaline based harsh cleaning chemicals. why not lets agree to disagree on this one.
As the saying goes  A PERSON CHANGED AGAINST THEIR WILL IS OF THE SAME OPINION STILL.
I certainly dont want people thinking that i am ramming advice down their throats.