[24-7 S C Services]

MEMBER BENEFITS

1) Government Lobbying on behalf of the industry
 
2) Member list available to the general public via website members search
 
3) Member list available to all council offices
 
4) Member list available to all commercial premises
 
5) Use of Association Logo on van’s, letter heads etc
 
6)  Free APWC Logo Supplied for Van (296mm x 115mm)
 
7) Help on obtaining the correct Insurance
 
Help on preparing method statements and risk assessments.

9) Help on preparing Health and Safety policies
 
10) Help on marketing your business
 
11) Up to date information relating to H&S and other important industry matters
 
12) Networking via website and future local meetings
 
13) Conferences and seminars with guest appearances
 
14) 30% off Sign Writing   
                                                           
15) Photographic ID Card   (Plastic Credit Card Style)           
                                             
16) Bi Monthly News Letter
 
17) Association marketing to create public awareness
 
18) Members only section on APWC Website (downloads will be available H&S info etc)
 
19) Free Website Hosting 
 
20) Free Domain Name   www.yourcomapany.co.uk   (subject to availability) 
 
21) 5 Email Addresses (Pop3)
 
 
BENEFITS CURRENTLY UNDER NEGOTIATION
 
Highly competitive Liability Insurances       
                           
Free 24 hour legal advice help line 
                                     
Discounts from suppliers
                                                       
Monthly Live Advice Sessions within the members only section of the website. 
 
 
I hope everyone will agree, there are some really fantastic and worth while benefits stated above. I feel it is also important to mention, all the benefits 1 – 21 are free with the membership excluding 14 which an additional cost would be incurred by the member. There are another 5 benefits currently undergoing negotiation, which should be in place when our doors open to members.
 
If anyone has any comments on the above benefits, please direct your questions directly at me and I will answer them with the current information I have. 
 
We have also uploaded some temp pages on the www.apwc.info website; again, you will find the benefits page listed up there. You will also find the official APWC Logo on the website.
 
Many Thanks
 
Andrew Mullen

[pjulk]

Good list of benefits there.

How much is it going to cost us to join and when does the new association open its doors for business.

Paul

[24-7 S C Services]

Hi Paul

The official Launch date is still to be agreed upon. We are hoping late March possible early April (don't quote me on that though).

Membership can and will be taken prior to the launch date and members who sign up before the launch date will receive a 20% discount on their subscription fees.

I will be posting the Fee's later on this week.

Hope this helps and thank you for enquiring

Many Thanks

Andrew

[24-7 S C Services]

Hi Again everyone,

I am just posting, to keep this at the top for a while, as I am sure there are members out there who do not log on everyday and it would be unfair for them to miss such an important post.

Many Thanks

Andrew

[Paul Coleman]

MEMBER BENEFITS

1) Government Lobbying on behalf of the industry
 
2) Member list available to the general public via website members search
 
3) Member list available to all council offices
 
4) Member list available to all commercial premises
 
5) Use of Association Logo on van’s, letter heads etc
 
6)  Free APWC Logo Supplied for Van (296mm x 115mm)
 
7) Help on obtaining the correct Insurance
 
Help on preparing method statements and risk assessments.

9) Help on preparing Health and Safety policies
 
10) Help on marketing your business
 
11) Up to date information relating to H&S and other important industry matters
 
12) Networking via website and future local meetings
 
13) Conferences and seminars with guest appearances
 
14) 30% off Sign Writing   
                                                           
15) Photographic ID Card   (Plastic Credit Card Style)           
                                             
16) Bi Monthly News Letter
 
17) Association marketing to create public awareness
 
18) Members only section on APWC Website (downloads will be available H&S info etc)
 
19) Free Website Hosting 
 
20) Free Domain Name   www.yourcomapany.co.uk   (subject to availability) 
 
21) 5 Email Addresses (Pop3)
 
 
BENEFITS CURRENTLY UNDER NEGOTIATION
 
Highly competitive Liability Insurances       
                           
Free 24 hour legal advice help line 
                                     
Discounts from suppliers
                                                       
Monthly Live Advice Sessions within the members only section of the website. 
 
 
I hope everyone will agree, there are some really fantastic and worth while benefits stated above. I feel it is also important to mention, all the benefits 1 – 21 are free with the membership excluding 14 which an additional cost would be incurred by the member. There are another 5 benefits currently undergoing negotiation, which should be in place when our doors open to members.
 
If anyone has any comments on the above benefits, please direct your questions directly at me and I will answer them with the current information I have. 
 
We have also uploaded some temp pages on the www.apwc.info website; again, you will find the benefits page listed up there. You will also find the official APWC Logo on the website.
 
Many Thanks
 
Andrew Mullen

Any discounts on standpipes?   

[Terry_Burrows]

quite Impressive,how are you going to market it there are people that after some 50 odd years have not known of the Nat Fed somthing new is going to be tough to be taken on board,I wish you well but I feel you have a mountain  to climb

[Paul Coleman]

quite Impressive,how are you going to market it there are people that after some 50 odd years have not known of the Nat Fed somthing new is going to be tough to be taken on board,I wish you well but I feel you have a mountain  to climb

Terry.
Ithink that communications have improved a lot in recent years - mainly because of the internet.  I think that this could make a big difference eventually.  I don't suppose every window cleaner uses the internet but a mixture of internet and word of mouth is probably the way.

[Terry_Burrows]

having said that yes true,brings me back to the Fed again they have a web site etc,whats new,its a case if people can be bothered to join more cost again,its always going to be hard to get started,as for somthing thats established for many years.

[24-7 S C Services]

Hi Terry

Marketing the association is going to be a hard task, however, we have already set the wheels in motion on this and the current feedback is excellent

Many Thanks

Andrew

[Terry_Burrows]

I wish you well in your venture I do understand the work thats infront of you : when you market somthing getting off the ground,well thats the hardest,the hard core facts will become known over the months,as to if people do as they say they will,in my years of this I have found so much hot air,it all starts off  a thousand horses racing,then one by one,they all get out of breath,and stop ,and nothing changes,its true to say the Fed has stood the test of time,it does understand it must bring in change and now,we can only wait and see ;)my thoughts only as I am not on the board any more,but I still give them my support as and when I can,I still am a member and will remain so regards

Terry.....

[alansavvi]

Terry

Your postings cannot hide your disdain for new things. The fed are useless, everyone knows that, lets see how these get on at representing a new industry, I.e wfp!

The fed had a chance to represent us but blew it on national tv. They are a old boys club!

[Terry_Burrows]

all I will say to you is,every one thinks they can do better,well go on then,lets see the change you are going to make ::)and I am not on the board any more,as for the old boys club,lets see how the newbs do any seen a magic wand :

just a thought! what you going to do if or when HS bring in regs about wfps going up 60ft needing to stand out 20 yards from the building,I am not knocking wfp,but its looks stupid up the west end ,we have seen it,hazzard waiting to happen : so wfp are not the best thing since slice bread :

[Moderator David@stives]

Terry

Give us a chance will you.
That is exactly the attitude we need, a little bit of support would be nice.
Please do not judge us by what has gone before.

As for Wfp or any hse regs for that matter you can rest assured we will represent all window cleaners on all matters.

Our health and safety representative is already in talks with the hse regarding the welfare and well being of all window cleaners.

We are not here to sit on the fence and wait for issues to arrise.
We will be pro-active and will address issues beforehand, the communication with the environment agency regarding the impending water shortage being an example.

Thanks

Dave

[Terry_Burrows]

just a thought what about the welfare of the public to,I saw the other day in the west end wc with a 60ft pole how stupid I know the company he could not get the angle he needed to clean,let alone the pressure needed at that height or has no one dare mention this subject or is it taboo everyone goes on how great wfps are,what about the public then,what wfps going to do if hs,say you must rope off,20ft to the left same to the right,and behind you,you may well laugh now :-\what if that happens,just a thought

[Moderator David@stives]

Terry

I am with you there,you realy must be sensible when using wfp over a certain height.
I have enough trouble with an 18' if the truth be known,I am now glad i attended a wfp course.
I did not think that at the time though :-)

[windows_chepstow]

just a thought what about the welfare of the public to,I saw the other day in the west end wc with a 60ft pole how stupid I know the company he could not get the angle he needed to clean,let alone the pressure needed at that height

Ah now, come on Terry,

There's dangers with using ladders too, not just for the user either.

[alansavvi]

What ridiculous comments you make Terry, For the fastest window cleaner you certainly have not caught on.

The way i see it is those who insist that not using wfp is good are not part of the industry i am in. They should stay with the fed!

You can be the fastest unsafe wc for all i care. You try working in the west end without wfp. You may have clients, but wait until the hse puts there foot down,

[rosskesava]

everyone goes on how great wfps are,what about the public then,what wfps going to do if hs,say you must rope off,20ft to the left same to the right,and behind you,you may well laugh now :-\what if that happens,just a thought

I think this is a forgotten issue by wfp users including us.

Last week I watched in amazement at 3 wfp users (working from the same van) were cleaning the upstairs windows (3 floors) over the top of a very busy supermarket next to very busy set of traffic lights in the middle of town during the middle of the day. The pavements were maybe 10' wide. The road solid with traffic. Etc etc.

Apart from anything else, the number of people getting wet... ?

I won't go into all the obvious hazards but I reckon it is only time before someone somewhere looks at safe working practises when using wfp.

I know that ladders are much more dangerous if an accident occurs and that has nothing to do with the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is that recently I have seen more unsafe working methods (more in terms of Joe Public) with wfp'ers working from vans than with w/c's using ladders in very public places and as wfp becomes more mainstream?

What if someone slips over not expecting the ground to be wet and dies from cracking their nut on the kerb or trips over the hose? Or anyone of a thousand other possibilies. How long before the H & S start issuing new rules due to cowboys  and those that 'are just not aware' just as they've done with the WAHL's.

I don't know what any association can do as there will always be cowboys and the like. Those that are likely to join an association and follow a code of conduct and safe working practise would probably be inclined to do that anyway.

So I think within a period of time there will be more rules to follow.

ps I will be joining the APWC.



Hi caustic soda

Sorry, but what is the point you are making in your posting?

[Morph]

I have followed a strict code of conduct, and very safe working practise windowcleaning for the past 19 years.  I found absolutely no benefits from being a member of a federation, other than a sticker on your vehicle, that, in all honesty only other windowcleaners would know anything about.  So I never joined.
I am reading with interest how the new association is developing.
But, I am yet to be convinced of any tangible benefits, that it can provide, that I can't provide myself.

[rosskesava]

But, I am yet to be convinced of any tangible benefits, that it can provide, that I can't provide myself.

Hi Pj

That is true.

One reason I am going to join is simply because for some commercial work being a member of something helps. I didn't join the Fed because their website is useless apart from being boring. They also hid how much it costs and for me, I want to know the price without having to find my way around a website that goes in circles without letting me know the answer to a simple question.

I am hoping the price of joining the APWC will not be a bit of a shock though.

As for working safely, I also believe we do but I do also think that sometimes a person working commercially in a public place sometimes only finds out about how it is supposed to be done legally when an accident happens.

For that, finding out what is and what is not, an association can be invaluable.

When I e mailed the Fed with some basic questions etc, the reply was all about money - mine. Then they were interested in telling me how much but not one single answer to a few simple questions. I hope the new association has a different ethic.

Cheers