[rycalshaw]

hi guys, does anyone use pb or shockwave as a first choice chem on all jobs irrespective of soiling, i,ve read posts on here saying its a sledge hammer to crack a nut, but if they are that good adding a bit of acid to the rinse isn,t that much of a hassle...cheers

[Mike Halliday]

I think people have forgotten the basic of cleaning when they use high PH chemicals on everything, yes it will work great and remove the dirt but it can also remove any protector applied.

The carpet cleans great but becomes soiled quicker and the next time you clean it you don't get the great results you achieved on the first vist.

[Simon Gerrard]

The carpet cleans great but becomes soiled quicker and the next time you clean it you don't get the great results you achieved
Sorry, Mike, but that simply is not true.
The advantage of using chemicals like Shockwave and Powerburst is that they release a much higher degree of soiling from the carpet, hence if rinsed properly, the carpet will not only clean better but will stay clean far longer because so much more of the soils have been removed. It is the depth of clean and the range of soil these chemicals deal with that makes them so effective in the right circumstances.
As for the the carpet not cleaning as well as the first time, that also is totally untrue and doesn't make a scrap of sense, or bear any relationship to my experience of using them over many years. Indeed, it is the sheer level of performance of these chemicals that helps us produce stunning results year after year in some pretty prestigious and demanding locations.
If your talking about there use in domestic situations where they can be likened to taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut then the issue of rapid re soiling may well be a contributory factor that has more to do with technique than anything else.

Simon

[Jamie Pearson]

It is important also to consider what is being used to rinse out the carpet.

If you have a truck mount with high water flow obviously you can remove the product far more efficiently than with a lower spec portable. This is where acid rinsing should definitely be used.

I am not sure if Shockwave or Powerburst are buffered or not.

To be safe try it with your set up and carry out a pH test for your own peace of mind.

[neil 47]

ive been using shockwave for over a year now with great results  .
  ran out so got a small tub of powerburst and some  acid rinse , i think power burst is just edging it  on light coloured carpets, but i have had to buy acid rinse so is more cost

[John Kelly]

You should be using acid rinse with both. They are both ph11. You can rinse both with plain water but should acid rinse on wool.

[AshWhite]

Why would you use acid rinse with powerburst but not with shockwave?

[wynne jones]

If its dirty then use these products because the dirt will reduce the ph anyway. If it isnt then if you are doing things by the book you wouldnt use these products on wool.

The idea of using high ph products then use acid rinse is a bit like putting your hand in boiling water and then in an ice bath. The damage is done, according to the wool experts.

Personally I dont have a problem with PB on the majority of carpets as I have cleaned the same ones many times and it seems to make no difference at all and thats rinsing with water. On a relatively clean wool though I's probably use a MS.

[garyfindlay]

The water up here is slightly on the acidic side. Never used an acid rinse with powerburst.

[Jamie Pearson]

If its dirty then use these products because the dirt will reduce the ph anyway.

Not if its buffered.

[Mike Halliday]

The carpet cleans great but becomes soiled quicker and the next time you clean it you don't get the great results you achieved
Sorry, Mike, but that simply is not true.
The advantage of using chemicals like Shockwave and Powerburst is that they release a much higher degree of soiling from the carpet, hence if rinsed properly, the carpet will not only clean better but will stay clean far longer because so much more of the soils have been removed. It is the depth of clean and the range of soil these chemicals deal with that makes them so effective in the right circumstances.
As for the the carpet not cleaning as well as the first time, that also is totally untrue and doesn't make a scrap of sense, or bear any relationship to my experience of using them over many years. Indeed, it is the sheer level of performance of these chemicals that helps us produce stunning results year after year in some pretty prestigious and demanding locations.
If your talking about there use in domestic situations where they can be likened to taking a sledgehammer to crack a nut then the issue of rapid re soiling may well be a contributory factor that has more to do with technique than anything else.

Simon

Sorry Simon for not responding sooner but I've only just read your response I can only assume you did'nt read my post correctly  before posting

So..... removing protector from a carpet by using  a high ph product will not make the carpet harder  to clean? and getting the same great clean will be  harder  to achieve on subsequent  visits? (Which is what I said) you are saying this is 'simply not true'

From that comment you must believe that carpet protector has no effect on how a carpet cleans? And it's removal has no consequences, also it's ok to remove any applied protector.

If what you believe is true and protectors on carpets can be removed as it  is not needed why do the manufactures apply it in the first place and why have companies like  depont spent millions of ££ on the development of protector?

[Simon Gerrard]

Mike,
For what it is worth, I think protectors are a complete waste of time and money on the customer's part, but then if they are willing to invest so much for little, hey ho, on the carpet cleaners part.
We got 300 sq metres of new carpet fitted in our new house, mostly light, plain carpet and treated every inch with protector (god knows why) except for an off cut near a doorway which we treated only half of its width. We then deliberately stained it with wine, tea, coffee etc and left them for a month. Did the treated half clean up any better then the untreated half, no sir.

The acid test to me is this; if a carpet cleans up after a few years of use and the stains come out, as most do and the ones that don't wouldn't come out of a protected carpet, then why does the carpet need to be protected in the first place?

We do apply protector when after explaining the limitations and the above and the customers insists, but only under those circumstances.

Apologies if I misunderstood your point.

Simon