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james roffey

Members of Cleanitup
« on: May 03, 2013, 10:44:43 pm »
Members of cleanitup

Many of you are aware that in the past few months I, like many others have been involved in some acrimonious discussions with other members. Nothing unusual in that I hear you all say that’s the nature of cleanitup.
But for me personally it became impossible to contribute to any topic without the original topic being returned to, so I became embroiled once again in a dispute that wouldn’t go away, in the end I became reluctant to post, only doing so with trepidation.
I pointed out at the time that members who are anonymous and are intent on causing trouble can do so with impunity, while the rest of us who contribute in an open and honest way leave ourselves vulnerable. I have also pointed this out more recently in an email to the forum administrators, without a response.
This situation has escalated to the point where it has now involved my son who is just ten, this is totally unacceptable, this cowardly act is beyond any right minded person and if by any chance they are reading this I hope they are ashamed of themselves.
My family have had to endure several weeks of this; I have said nothing on the forum or to the administrators others than highlight the possibility of this happening as I hoped if I ignored this pathetic and cowardly behaviour it would go away, hopefully when they got tired.
My reasoning was, people like this thrive on a reaction, and only by ignoring it would it go away sadly I was mistaken, because of this I now have things in place so if it continues they will hopefully be located and prosecuted.
I would like to emphasise that although I am at present in a disagreement with Robert Meldrum on one of the topics, I am not accusing him of any wrong doing in this regard, however I think his recent remark that he thinks carpet cleaners like me are “con merchants” was disgusting.
If anyone cares to read that topic I believe I did nothing to deserve such a response, I found that remark particularly offensive as it questions my integrity by likening me to someone who extorts money from vulnerable people. Robert now claims that the accusation was not about me but in the context of the topic if it is followed in the discussion it was clearly directed at me.
As I said the situation as a whole has now escalated to the point of harassment, my gut feeling is that it is someone on the forum or someone who has found a way of accessing anonymously maybe they have taken advantage of the situation in the hope that Robert will be blamed; the present lack of scrutiny of members by the forum has made it possible for this to happen.
Sadly I find myself unable to continue as a member, for want of a better phrase “it’s just not worth the grief” The most recent contribution by me made me realise that although I tried my best to keep that particular topic on track it descended into a personal attack upon me and as a result for the first time in 5 years and 1376 posts I felt so angry I wanted to “chin” someone.

Maybe I am feeling a little defensive at the moment, understandable I would suggest, I can take being called a bald headed effing “ C U next Tuesday” but I am not playing childish games anymore with people that seem to relish the prospect of confrontation. The harassment that has resulted as a consequence of this type of behaviour makes it impossible to remain.
On a brighter note I would like to think I have made a positive contribution to cleanitup, judging by the guys that have phoned me for advice, usually newbies looking for someone with fresh knowledge regarding the pitfalls of starting up; I think I have achieved at least that.
Lastly I want to thank everyone that has helped me over the past 5 years, you guys really did save my life, in May 2008 I was in hospital with pleural pneumonia, I spent five days in hospital at the lowest point in my life.
I was desperate to get out of a job that was literally killing me with stress, my brother in law mentioned that a friend of his was a carpet cleaner, somehow I stumbled on cleanitup and thanks to your support, help and guidance I started up my own business, no way could I have done it without the help of you guys.
I hope I can remain in contact with the many friends I have made on cleanitup; no doubt I will be requiring some advice from “the experts” from time to time.

Kind regards
James Roffey

F.A.O Forum Admin
I would like the forum members to be aware of my reason for leaving, in case they should be targeted in the same way, I am unsure if I delete my account whether this post will be deleted also. Would the forum admin email me as to whether I can delete my account without this post being affected?

Mike Halliday

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 10:55:56 pm »
James to be honest I'm having difficulty understanding exactly what you are saying,

Are you being abused away from CIU by a forum member? Where have you been harassed?

From what I have read in the past although you have been in heated discussion nothing to bad, after all this is just a forum not anything of real significance.

But anything that involves your family is not  acceptable .   And can understand why you feel the need to take your mentioned action
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

wynne jones

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 11:10:02 pm »
James

Don't run away from it, face it. Don't give someone the satisfaction that they have got to you. As for mr meldrum I don't think he is singling you out in fact anyone who earns more than him is labelled a con man so I wouldn't worry about it. If someone has involved your kids that's quite a bit more worrying was that on here or elsewhere I don't remember seeing anything like that on here.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 11:28:32 pm »
What Wynne said.

Big F!! the C U Next Tuesdays!!

Its only a forum,  don't let what anyone on here says worry or bother you! Half of them are drunken old  farts anyway!  ;D

I presume it was facebook you are getting hassle on? cant you sort out the privacy settings so that only friends can contact you and your son?

john martin

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 11:31:22 pm »
 I think the reference by ' anonymous windup guy '  was that a facebook page looked ' crap' because it contained  some family pics .   I think anyone reading it could see it was a windup targeting u because he got a reaction before  , same guy was winding u up  about grammer or something before ?.  Chances are even he didnt mean it .
Regarding the family pics ..  its something the Americans seem to do all the time , show pics posing with family their  website ..    just personal choice .

james roffey

Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 11:48:18 pm »
Someone phoned my home and spoke to my son who happened to answer it before me, i am not going to say on here what exactly was said, it would be censored anyway, this is not the first phonecall up until now they have been too cowardly to speak until  my son answered.
When i asked him to repeat what was said, astonishingly the comment made by this pathetic excuse for a man was directed at him personally, this is probably because he is prominent on my website and van. this on top of that pathetic individual who the day before  decided to insult me and visit my website for the sole purpose of hoping to find some crumb evidence to  discredit me. In a topic I had done my utmost to avoid any confrontation, at one point even saying I don’t want this to turn into a slanging match.
Almost every topic now turns into exactly that, and now my family have been involved, the advice that I can “adjust” my privacy settings this isn’t just about that idiot last week on facebook he’s just one of many that “troll” this forum from Mr Laure in his many guises to all the other more often than not the anonymous keyboard warriors, I have had enough of them.
I am running a business that has the sole purpose of being open to the public. My name  contact details home address is there for all to find, My family and i can sleep safe in our beds tonight knowing I am a member of this forum !

stuart_clark

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 11:55:28 pm »
I think we should be a bit more accountable, only real names alowed on this forum! about the only good think that CT have implemented

John Kelly

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 11:58:00 pm »
James, don't let them win. Its easy to be an arse when you are hiding behind a false name. People with real balls will say what they think and fight their corner using their real identity. If you don't then you are a coward!
Some of the more obnoxious on here don't even clean carpets for a living.

cannon

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 12:10:59 am »

Some of the more obnoxious on here don't even clean carpets for a living.

You don't clean carpets do you John  ;D  ;D  ;D

James don't let it get to you, I went through a spell of someone phoning all the time but not saying anything  ::)roll  ::)roll  sooooo boring it was.

wynne jones

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 07:47:48 am »
If someone has rung you at home and upset your son, I would speak to the police. You have the time of the call and they will be able to identify the person behind the number.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

*Hector*

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 08:03:23 am »
Yes they will James even if they used 141 to withhold the number..

You can also get withheld number block put on your phone, so no one can call you withholding their number..
Everyday this forum slips further from God.  :'(

james roffey

Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 08:28:18 am »
Hector

So no one can call me from a withheld number, including many of my potential customers who has a legitimate reason for withholding it, our own phone is a withheld number. i still don't think it has sunk in yet how YOU AND I are wide open to this crap

Everything about what we do in our marketing makes us easy to find, but simply blocking my phone from withheld numbers is going to fix it  ::)roll,
saying don't let "them" win i would think "they would love to think it was costing me a fortune in lost customers which it certainly would. i could change my telephone number maybe my mobile to that features on all those sites on every piece of marketing from websites to the thousands of business listings i have added over the years that should take about a year. oh hang on i would have to change my company name, or maybe move. and for what, because i joined a forum where some are just out to cause grief, actual issues that contribute to our knowledge of running a carpet cleaning business are forgotten, a select few don't like me that's fine you meet a 100 or so guys, some you may not like for whatever reason but when some of them decide to take every opportunity to antagonise and most recently just insult, i begin to think should i give advice to that new starter or not and at that point i think this is bloody silly why am i even on here.
Just for the record i would never ever call another professional a "con merchant"  and if i heard it i would say they had gone too far, obviously i am old fashioned. yesterdays antics though have galvanised my attitude that it simply is not worth it, also who's knows what this "gentleman" is capable of, better be careful what i say in case he's reading if you are then please leave me a my family in peace, you have made your point.

*Hector*

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 08:40:13 am »
if a customer wants to get through and their number is withheld they will either dial 147 before the number or use a mobile...

You will not notice a drop in customer calls......
Everyday this forum slips further from God.  :'(

james roffey

Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2013, 09:03:19 am »
if a customer wants to get through and their number is withheld they will either dial 147 before the number or use a mobile...

You will not notice a drop in customer calls......


I will look into what can be done Hector i just want on get on with the important stuff, like making a living.

No response from forum admin regarding my last paragraph though, suppose i did post it late.

John Kelly

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2013, 09:14:09 am »
James think you will find they work office hours.

Richard Basey-Fisher

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2013, 09:20:32 am »
James i have two phone numbers one is for business which goes straight to my mobile day or night the other is a personal landline which is my familes landline when it rings its not business related. My business number is a local number.     cost me about 9 a month incl all call charges    tamar comunications

robert meldrum

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2013, 09:33:13 am »
James I just tried to phone you but your details seem to have disappeared. You are welcome to phone me on 077 409 42658 right now just to hear my voice and realise I am not the character you imagine from posts on a forum.

Darren O

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Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2013, 09:58:49 am »
I know there are some right idiots on here i can be one of them but i dont belive for one minute any of them would phone up and have a go at a 10 year old boy on a phone.

garry22

Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2013, 10:03:41 am »
James,

My friend recently sold a telecom business.

They used to do a lot of call recording equipment (expensive) but they also did cheaper ones (say £ 160.00) that plugged into a PC.

Some of the expensive ones actually did voice pattern profiling; amazing, even if someone disguised their voice, the pattern would be identical.

james roffey

Re: Members of Cleanitup
« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2013, 11:54:11 am »
I was a private investigator for over 25 years so i have that kind of equipment to record conversations etc i just thought i would never need it again, when i did that it was par for the course to make enemies as you are involving yourself in matters that are  private, carrying out surveillance,serving court papers sometimes on some pretty nasty people, but i was anonymous.

However i never once experienced my family being threatened and harassed until i became a carpet cleaning !