[mark turton]

Hi all

could anyone tell me when you use the inline heaters as i see so much conflicting advice re using heat.

many claim using heat in clean process which makes perfect sense to me. however on other topics and threads there are many of you that say a cold rinse is suffice after using a hot prespray?

do you use the inline heater to deliver the hot pre-spray only and then cold acidic rinse?   

[jim mca]

Mark

You need to try both and  find your preference what pre sprays do you use

[mark turton]

hi jm
use a craftex micro splitter and a pro chem traffic lane

used the craftex today and only using hot water from tap to fill for rinse a large coffee stain that reduced in appearance by about 90% but still visible.

unless for things like this a citrus gel should be used? 

still learning can you tell..lol

[Richard Cole]

If using detergent based pre-spray's then heat is more important, whilst with mircospliters and eco-friendly products heat is not so important and warm tap water is sufficient.

[mark turton]

If using detergent based pre-spray's then heat is more important, whilst with mircospliters and eco-friendly products heat is not so important and warm tap water is sufficient.

thanks richard - what heat level do you use (inline heater?)

[Mike Halliday]

The nice thing about heat is, if you have it you can choose not to use it but if you don't have it ............

And it's a bit of a coincidence how the people who don't think it necessary  tend to be  the ones who don't have it.

But if all you are putting on the carpet is warm water then don't go to the bother its no better than cold  unlike hot water ( hot means you can't touch the QC) which does make a difference.

And who says the newrange of chemicals work just as good with cold water? The people who sell them? Do they have a reason for saying cold water works just as good as hot

[stuart_clark]

I always like heat if possable. i think you will always get a better clean with it ! If you use Craftex products wny dont you try Shift, its a powered tea/coffee remover and is very good

[stuart_clark]

Mike
can you choose not to have heat with a petrol truck mount ?

[john martin]

If using detergent based pre-spray's then heat is more important, whilst with mircospliters and eco-friendly products heat is not so important and warm tap water is sufficient.

Do you know of a scientific explanation for that or could it just be hearsay ?

Looking at a niche laundry detergent ' Tide coldwater ' formulated for low temperatures , it does not contain ' microsplitter' ( phosphate )  where as the regular temp laundry detergents do ( or did before it was banned and replaced with sodium carbonate )   The formulation has more in common with ' detergent  ' prespray as far as i can see .

Hotter will always be more efficient regardless of what prespray is used  imo  

[jim mca]

I find to use micro splitter  you need a good crb then as most of the works done heat is not as important but you need a full range of chemicals to deal with all situations

[Mike Halliday]

Stuart,  I think most HX truck mounts don't have the option to turn off the heat, machines with a secondary heater can choose not to heat the water.

[john martin]

I find to use micro splitter  you need a good crb then as most of the works done heat is not as important but you need a full range of chemicals to deal with all situations

Im sure that works ...  but the same will likely work with ultimatemaster , formula90  etc
just saying ' microsplitter' has nothing to make it more efficient at low temp than other powders /prespray

[John Kelly]

Heat will allways clean better no matter what product you choose to use. It will also assist drying.

[richie]

Using heated water to rinse will as John says clean better regardless of the chemical used with the advantage of faster drying times.

[Mike Halliday]

I'm cleaning with cold water at he moment as I have changed my water tank to a bane tank that I'm plumbing into the van heating system (but its not in the garage until next week)

I  can clean just as we'll with cold water but my son has to do lots of spotting as I wand, so really I'm risking the chance of over wetting the carpet because after he as treated the spot I need to do another wet pass with the wand to rinse out the spotter .

[Russ Chadd]

Both my new portables (Enforcer and Alltec Express) have heat exchangers.
To use the Alltec as an example... i fill the little 20l solution tank with tap warm water, it has a 3kw in-line heater which heats the warm water pretty quickly! hot enough to make you swear if your hand  touches the QC on the wand!

I like to clean with hot water, eventhough i mostly use microsplitters 

[peter maybury]

I find it difficult to undertand how people can be convinced that you can clean as  effectively without heat. Using the two side by side is a very quick way to see that it it not true. Cold clean is fine if you have nothing to compare it with. With a truckmount it is easy to see the difference just by playing with the temperature.
We are using chemistry to clean and chemicals cannot replicate the effect of heat, this is a pretty basic fact.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.comhttp://

[cleantech]

 Cleaning pie chart.

 Chemical , Temperature, Agitation, Time
 
 If one element is missing then one of the other 3 must be increased to compensate.

 A Wet cleaning system of carpet is known as HOT water extraction.

 Heat will break the surface tension. Chems react faster with heat.

[jim mca]

John

What I was trying to say is for a microsplitter to work I find it needs good agitation yes it also makes detergents work better but I don't think they need the same amount you don't seem to like or rate this type of cleaner but a lot of others do that's why manufacturers make it new starts need to try different products to find what works best for them some will prefer colloids others microsplitters and others detergents but most will carry all three plus stain removers. deodorisers and sanitizers from different brands to give then the best arsenal to get the job done.

ps I always use heat but would not knock others who say they don't need it they may use more spotters but that's up to them  

[Simon Gerrard]

You're seriously missing a trick by cleaning cold. As has been stated it is after all a 'hot water' soil extraction system.

Simon