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Jamie Lindsay

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is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« on: May 01, 2013, 02:47:41 am »
I was talking with someone today and we both agreed that starting a a business in britain today the best place is online ie websites etc

whats your thoughts is there any money in manual labour business ?

Mike Halliday

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2013, 07:13:59 am »
The all time best might be selling stocks & shares on the web but I would'nt succeed at it as I know nothing about the subject, I would guess the best business oppertunity would come from a subject that you have expertise in.

Also the web is open to the world so if you are selling an intellectual service you could end up competing with an Indian company who will work fo 50 rupees a day.

But!!! If I could start any company I would be a graphic designer working on a laptop while sat on a beach taking payment by visa
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Paul Moss

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 08:13:28 am »
Yer Mike and you could afford to pay Billy and Ashley to be next to you all day just rubbing the sun tan lotion in  :D

derek west

Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 08:45:50 am »
Yer Mike and you could afford to pay Billy and Ashley to be next to you all day just rubbing the sun tan lotion in  :D

That image is gonna haunt me all day now, I've all ready had to throw my weetabix away.  ;D

robert meldrum

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 09:28:00 am »
Apparently the people who move our plastic bins a few feet from the pavement to the truck and back are now on £40 k

Mike Halliday

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2013, 12:39:40 pm »
my best mate does that and he's on £18k including shift allowance,.
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Carpet Dawg

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2013, 08:26:40 pm »
Bin men around here are on between £450 - £600 a week. The driver gets paid more.

Making money on the internet usually involves 3 sectors. Selling a service (i.e. web design, CV writing, last will a testament writing service etc.) 2. Selling a product (like amazon or going for niche products) 3. Selling advertising space (I.e. create a website/blog/forum that lots of people visit daily, build the brand then sell advertising space)

First thing is first. Its very very very hard to make a decent wage online. There are forums full of internet millionaire wannabes. Do a search, I mean thousands of people all trying to compete for the same niches, the same service and products. And only a few succeed. AND when you finally do find a method that's generating money on a regular basis, google will make a change to its serps and you'll lose that income stream overnight. Same goes with other places you might be gaining traffic from like facebook, one change and there goes your money.

Back in late 1990s, early naughty's up to about 2008 it was a lot easier to make money and a lot of it!! And quickly.  Now a days its hard work!! Hours spent in front of a screen not knowing if what your planning is going to bare fruit. Testing and thorough keyword research is the key.

There is a few ways to make money online, but I would recommend learning SEO for local search, learning facebook and other social media for local businesses, learn (or out source everything) like website creation, writing good copy, how to rank youtube videos etc etc. And then sell the services to local UK and US businesses. Become an expert in the field. You can then set up monthly contracts.

Tony

Jamie Lindsay

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2013, 08:39:18 pm »
people want services carried out at the cheapest possible price and with the whole of europe and indeed our british friends lowering there price its ruining it for the rest of us... even the established companys in glasgow are rapidly decreasing there prices... obv web is a hard market but again so is every market

just feel that carpet cleaning and manual labour services is a very tough business when i look at other at other avenues

totally agree with carpet dawg with the rental thing... create and rent is the way forward

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2013, 08:50:09 pm »
I've been on a few sites and the national average is £30k more in London although there are different rates based on if you are employed from when the council had the tender or an outside source also blue bin collection is paid less but employees finish earlier so not a full working week so time to moonlight  ;D

Shaun

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2013, 08:57:11 pm »
There's loads of companies that go under in a recession who supply because they can't sell their product so end up with over stock as carpet cleaners we can always find some work we don't make millions per week but neither do we lose millions it's a well paid wage that we get if everything goes right but the risk is low where if you like a flutter and want to win big the spoils are massive but the losses are heavy in a down turn.

Shaun

Mike Halliday

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2013, 10:32:23 pm »
Who's manual labour are we talking about our own or the 20 illegal immigrants I have living in my shed?

Gang master working in the fields of Lincolnshire are making good money from the labour of others, the problem with our own labour is we only have 24hrs in a day, have 10 men And that goes upto 240hrs to create money
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

Ian Gourlay

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2013, 05:12:08 pm »
The problem woth Carpet Cleaning is Scaling Up

If I were to enter field again I would consider Domestic. you can be like the Gang Master but I think you get more problems.

Re online I do not think there is one big winner just lots of little ones. But it does take time.

Re Web design I would go to Philipinnes or India.

Same with Program design my Sons Company employs consultants from India


Robin Ray

Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #12 on: May 02, 2013, 05:56:38 pm »
The more people who sit at desks trying to earn something out of nothing the more money there is in manual Labour services. I bet in comparison with 10 years ago the majority of more professional cleaning type services are better off.. I know I am. Despite the down turn.

Simon@arenaclean

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #13 on: May 02, 2013, 10:55:21 pm »
Quote
The more people who sit at desks trying to earn something out of nothing the more money there is in manual Labour services. I bet in comparison with 10 years ago the majority of more professional cleaning type services are better off.. I know I am. Despite the down turn.

Find myself agreeing with this. A lot of my customers are higher paid clients but they simply do not have any free time, they just want the job done. When I passed my driving test as a qualified mechanic I did all my own maintenance, now I just can't be bothered so my local garage gets the work, We also have a chap mow the lawn etc. Aim your particular service to customers who won't do it themselves, you just have to find them which is marketing. There is a finite amount one can earn as an individual, regardless of hourly rates and hours worked there is a limit, and what's the point of working a 100hrs as there is no time for anything else. Duplicating time with employees labour and making a profit on that labour so you can reduce your time on the job, the problem is competition for the same piece of pie, minimum wage, insurance makes profit making a lot more difficult. I don't think manual labour is a lost cause by any means but margins are much, much tighter.

Running a brothel has more potential :D

John Kelly

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 08:09:29 am »
Is "Porn Star" classed as manual labour or does that just apply to the people watching it?

wynne jones

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2013, 08:18:47 am »
There will always be a need for manual labour and some will make good money, but there is a limit to what you can do as an individual. Online it is far far easier to multiply your time through tools and outsourcing. But it still comes down to the same thing - How good you are at marketing your services and what you are prepared to sacrifice to earn a certain amount.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

robert meldrum

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2013, 12:54:08 pm »
There was a story on TV quite a few years ago about a " hod carrier " that's the guy who carries, or used to carry bricks in a wooden v shaped box on his shoulder up ladders to the brickies and this particular guy who was built like a Mr Universe had very high productivity due to his physical ability and got paid accordingly.

Don't remember the amounts but he was earning about three times the average.

In today's  " equality " world it probably would not be allowed.

Knocker

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2013, 08:39:00 pm »
He's name was Maxi Quaterman, he had the nickname Superhod

Rayleigh Window Cleaning Services

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2013, 06:21:37 pm »
Think he used a plasterers hod so could carry more bricks. Simples ;)

Steve


rich123

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Re: is manual labour a money maker anymore?
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2013, 10:32:21 am »
Shaun is right.
Carpet cleaners may not make what they want to make every month,
but we'l never be out of pocket, because we dont carry stock, its just labour
(And a few chems).
So anyone, how much a month should you be pulling in as a carpet cleaner
To make it a finanically viable business??