[G Rhodes]

Hey all

Just contemplating running my porty Powr flite PFX1350 from my van

It works really well up to 100 feet - most of my work is up to that length or smaller

Would only do this if on the customers premises

Was going to get some reinforced flex for the electric supply from the house

Anybody do this - whats stopping me

Thanks

G

[Russ Chadd]

Van mounting can work well but you will need the following to make it practical...

1) Plently of hose... remember the distance between the van and the  property will require longer lengths...
2) A water supply in the van complete with transfer pump (if needed)
3) Auto fill and auto dump for continues working
4) Good quality extension reels

Or you could save yourself money, weight and space just by removing the machine from the van...

[Robin Ray]

Hi Garry,

Do you have the high water lift model or the high airflow model of machine.

[G Rhodes]

I have no idea - thought there was only one model of the PFX1350

[Russ Chadd]

Lets assume its the "air series" design, 1 stack pipe in the extraction tank and two high powered vac motors?
Air series is designed to maximise water "lift" and would be better suited nearer the area where you are working rather than on he van with longer vac hoses...

[Robin Ray]

I have been doing some reading about water lift and airflow on the various forum searches etc around the world because I was wondering the same thing as my machine has a series set up. I was thinking maybe i should buy another machine so I can run longer hose runs.

From my research so far it seems overall that a series set up under load at the end of a run of hoses will actually produce more airflow. How?

Lift is the muscle which pulls the water much the same way a tractor has masses of torque so can pull heavy objects yet slowly. It is lift however which produces the vacuum in the first place which makes the air move. Thus creating airflow.

Airflow is how fast the air is moving. in the same way an office fan can move a massive amount of air very fast yet if you attach a hose to it and tried to vacuum a carpet it wouldn't do anything. Why? because it has no pull no torque no lift.

Manufacturers of machines seem to quote massive CFM  figures (airflow) at the machine yet its what happens at the end of the wand which matters. When the wand is on the carpet not much air can move because the gap between the wand and the carpet is small so at this point the airflow CFMs are not doing much as airflow has no pull no torque just like the office fan. So it is Lift or vacuum which pulls the water out of the carpet at this point like the tractor pulling a heavy object. When more air enters the wand, say when you lift the wand off the carpet the airflow comes in to play taking the recovered cleaning solution back to the machine. As it is the muscle, the lift which produces the vacuum in the machine in the first place is that which moves the air and the cleaning solution especially under load such as when the wand is on the carpet. It therefore enables the air to move faster when the system is under load.

So it seems a system set up for greater lift should be more effective at overcoming obstructions such as when cleaning or even at extra hose lengths.

Rob

Ps I didn't write this to start any Lift vs cfm arguments I just thought it was interesting.

[stuart_clark]

I used to run a boosted Ninja for a good few years and thought it was quite powerfull up to say 50ft but dropped off considerably if you added another 50ft! that all changed when i purchased my Scorpion back in 2007 and although i hardley ever use more than 50ft the suction is a lot better with the Scorpion as opposed to the Ninja! There are arguements for both systems, but for myself having used both systems for a good few years, I much prefere the vacumes set in Paralelle of the Scorpion

[Shaun_Ashmore]

Stuart did you use 2 inch vac hose on the ninja?

To me the vac hose makes a hell of a difference, I did have some 2.5 inch vac hose but it was a swine to deal with as most of my jobs are no more than 100ft away can't remember the last time I used 150ft, you can buy adapter kits for your powrflite to change it to a larger inlet there are other things to pimp your machine look on the American forums there are loads of ideas but I'm not sure as it stands your machine is quite strong enough.

Shaun

[stuart_clark]

No Shaun 1.5 inches but i think John Bolton told me that the vacume wouldn't increase with motors set in series

[Shaun_Ashmore]

I'm not too sure about that Russ Chadd has an enforcer and uses 2 inch he loves it.

Shaun

[Robin Ray]

The thing that lets the ninja down is it has 1.5" internal plumbing and the exhaust design is rubbish. I thing if this was sorted it would make a big difference. It would be more like the enforcer which has 2" internals.

[Russ Chadd]

Yep... all the internal hoses in the Enforcer are 2" and i use 2" vac hose when i am cleaning carpets...and it helps to increase airflow... the wand is noticeable noisier!  the 2" vac barb on the Enforcer allows me to use both 2 and 1.5" hoses so for upholstery the 1.5" vac hose works just great at 25'.

[Robin Ray]

If I ever get the time I will re plumb it. Or I could just upgrade..