[dish]

I started a thread - nice tidy van as I am looking to get a system of some kind and have found it really useful to see how it all fits in.

Now its locked due to a complaint re: blatant advertising?

I have only been a member for a short while and found this forum an interesting and informative place.

However, I am now gutted!

With the greatest respect to the other members - what about those people who represent other waterfed pole products/companies that blatantly plug their products. 

One of which I am looking into buying at the moment because of his helpful, but 'advertising' posts on this site.

Good for the goose - good for the gander?

Anyway - like I say - gutted!

[rosskesava]

Somethings not right here.

Not with the thread being locked but with the whole posting.

I agree with Dave St Ives.

[dish]

Hi rosskesava

Do you mean with my posting?

I can assure you there is nothing 'wrong' with it - are you implying that my post was placed with some ulterior motive?

It's hardly my fault if the post was hijacked.

I am beginning to feel rather offended.

[rosskesava]

Hi sesutton

I didn't mean to offend and if I did offend - I am sorry.

It's just something doesn't feel right. I can't explain it.

The post wasn't hijacked, it was locked. As for ulterior motive? It was blatant.

Sorry mate. That is how it seemed to me.

Cheers

[dish]

Thank you very much for your reply.

By ulterior, I meant my original comment about van interiors, which was only posted with genuine interest.

Apology most gratefully accepted.

[stevef]

I too agree with sesutton
He was asking for help / information, and it did seem to me to get hijacked a little.
I also agree that some folk are able to advertise their goods and others not. At the end of the day we all want to know who is selling what, the cost, and if it's any good ! after all is than not what this forum is all about? Information!
I would like to see it sorted, out what is and isn't correct ues of this forum, as some people can and some can't advertise

And no I have no axe to grind with anyone, I just want as much info as I can get

Steve

[mark6765]

i agree with steve.
some suppliers can talk of thier equipment they sell.
why not others.
or indeed all suppliers.
im interested in different equipment and options available.

[Paul Coleman]

Is the problem not so much about advertising but the possibility of underhand advertising? (I'm not saying that this has happened incidentally).
By underhand, I mean, for instance, when fake "customers" post under another name about some "great" company that just happens to be their own.

[stevef]

Let's be honest, frauds don't last long on here. and soon get sussed out. No it's the double standards we need to sort out.
I for one want to know whats out there on the market, if we didn't we would all still be using shamy's and rags( no direspect intended  to trad boys)

Steve

PS 20% of my work is trad just so you know 

[Moderator David@stives]

Hi guys

I will try to explain, There is nothing wrong with people promoting there products on this site.

The problem is when manufacturers pretend to be window cleaners or potential customers and try to pull the wool over our eyes.

If you read the following link you will see Becki pop up and ask a question then by complete co-incidence David pops up then surprise suprise Carl pops up too, all on the same post all at the same time.
That is a clear case of staged advertising.
Now David turns up again,could be completely innocent this time and shows his van without again stating he is Concept 20.

It does not take a genius to work it out
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=9226.0#msg68235

If they had shown there hand straight away and say this is who we are and this is what we have got to offer ,that would be fine.

Not very long back there were attempts all the time at these stunts and this is not what it is all about.
If you did not spot the stage show on the link provide please examine thouroughly again

Thanks

Dave

[Moderator David@stives]

P.s

All manufacturers are allowed to mention there goods here they do it all the time but in a legitimate and undevious way.

Purefreedom
sair from essentialy pure
omnipole
ionics less so recently because craig does not do forums anymore but reuben pops up from time to time
Brodex  dont seem to be active on any forum at the moment
skypole  Stuart turns up from time to time occasionally has a lttle fall out.
Gardiner Alex answers and posts and promotes stuff here
Gaz is always selling his brushes
I could go on.

If all manufacturers could not mention who and what they do on this site (who dont try to decieve)
I would leave

I hope this goes to explaining things

[stevef]

Thanks David@St-Ives for sorting that one out.
Sharron, Sorry for calling you a he before, keep asking the questions as you can see most on here are genuine and helpfull and the frauds don't last long!

Steve

[Morph]

Let's get something cleared up, (seeing as I have the day off due to a bad back and my van is in for service).

sesutton has said that her name is Sharon.  Sharon's topic was "highjacked",  by David Halford.  Unless you moderators know something about Sharon (sesutton) that you haven't told the rest of us, then I do think she has a point.
Thread locked brutally without much explanation to her.  If you read Ian Giles' reason for locking the thread it does imply that Sharon is involved in this underhand method of selling/advertising, which no one likes.
On the other hand, Sharon, if your post was placed innocently, then, you might have benefitted by wording it differently.

For example:
You said you were looking to set up a van system.  
Call me a chauvinist, but on previous threads you have said that you are a female window cleaner working traditionally.  You may arouse a little suspicion with some, because there are burly, tough male traditional windowcleaners on here, who have been working hard for years, and still can't make the costly leap to a van system, if you get my drift, yet you seem ready to do that in a short time, on your own as a short, light woman!  Sorry.

You complimented Neil on his tidy van, no problem there, we would all do that.
But then you said, "Can any of you compete?"
If your inquiry is genuine, in hindsight, don't you think it would be better to ask, "Would you, with van systems advise me please?"  Or if you're not sure about the pros' & cons' of different systems, folks on this forum, in my experience are only too pleased to share freely what they have learned.  But the way you worded things, and the post that followed shortly after by David Halford, made it look as if you were, possibly part of the scam to sell a system in an underhand way.

If forum members are honest and up front in their intentions, everbody is happy, but, suspicion is soon aroused, if things are not made clear from the start.

It is true that some appear to be able to promote their wares.  Andrew McCann(spelling?), with his freedom trolley is blatantly using this forum to spread the word about his system, along with his "side kick" Brett, who always seems to post on the same threads, something wonderful about the freedom trolley.
(I don't use one, by the way).
How can this be allowed?  You may ask.
Well the evidence speaks for itself, really.
I'm not the last word, by any means, but, forum members/suppliers like Andrew, present themselves honestly, everything is up front, they keep to a proper ethical approach on here, following the rules, no underhand methods appear to be used.
If favouritism is shown to any, there are enough members posting regularily to notice and will object loudly if they don't agree with what is said and done.

If you were part of something slightly "underhand", then you got a slap and it serves you right.
If you weren't, then keep protesting!  I wouldn't want to be accused of something that I didn't do!  I'm sure you will receive an apology from Ian Giles in due course, if you are innocent.

PS.  You can tell I've got the day off

[Ian_Giles]

Sesutton,

My appologies to you if it appears your thread has been unfairly locked, no offence to you was intended

But it did appear to get hijacked, previous replies to my own have explained the situation (thanks guys, top job there )

We are actually a pretty friendly bunch on here, but it is easy for a post to be misconscrued.
Prices put on here are generally frowned upon, but many put their goods on display here, and also contribute to the forum in general, however, anything sneaky and underhand is soon unearthed, there's a couple of good detectives on here

Regards,

Ian

[dish]

Hello all.

Thank you for your comments.

What I was trying to say was.

Neil 100 had the tidiest van interior I had ever seen. My car is full of plastic boxes with washers etc...  I am looking for ideas for inside of van layouts etc. as I am looking at a van and pole systems, although not necessarily a van mount.  I will be more likley to chose a trolley. 

I thought it would be an interesting approach and more likely to stimulate a response by getting you all a little competitive... Hence ... can you all compete.

Hope that clears it up once and for all.

[rosskesava]

Phew...

[windows_chepstow]

From what I gather, the site owner's policy on advertising is fine as long as the advertisers contribute to this board in a positive manner.

This means they help out with questions; and not from a purely 'selling' point of view.  Andrew McCann is a fine example of someone who does this.  He advertises, but he also gives 'non product advice' too.

What makes me (us) cross is when someone tries to advertise in an 'underhanded manner'.

So advertising stuff is fine, as long as it's discrete(ish) and as long as you add-value to the forum.

Sounds fair enough to me.

Also, with regards to posting prices of kit on the forum, I personally like to see how much something costs, since I'm usually somewhere between skint and bankcrupt!

Prices put on here are generally frowned upon, but many put their goods on display here, and also contribute to the forum in general, however, anything sneaky and underhand is soon unearthed, there's a couple of good detectives on here

Regards,

Ian

[Ian_Giles]

The likes of us users state how much this or that cost us, suppliers usually refrain, requests usually have the supplier sending a personal email, or a discreet link to their site.
The forum is sponsored by Express Cleaning Supplies, so using the forum to promote your goods and prices (should you be a suppier of course ) is kind of frowned on, particularly if the goods in question are those that our sponsor supplies!!

I think the forums are a good source of info for us all, we gain and the suppliers gain, and if the suppliers get it wrong then forums such as this one can, I have no doubt, make a dent in their turnover too

Ian

[windows_chepstow]

I started a thread - nice tidy van as I am looking to get a system of some kind

Sesutton,

Which part of the UK do you originate from?

[dish]

Tosh Ive sent you an email.