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smearo

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Pensions
« on: March 14, 2013, 09:05:54 pm »
Hi all just out of interest who has got a pension in place ??
I'm 39 and myself and 75% of mates have not got a pension in place
Nor can afford to..... Will we be working when we are in our 70s... I hope not
I ache enough by the time I get home some days....

Re: Pensions
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2013, 12:55:35 am »
Well I for one will have to work until I drop, but I will be happy to work till I die.

tompoole

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2013, 06:46:43 am »
For a pension to pay a decent wage you need to put between
£300-£500 away for min of 30years.
You would be better off buying a small property to rent for income.
Or a large house and down size on retirement.
I'm no financial advisor but just my thougbts

Ian101

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2013, 08:45:43 am »
I had a few small pension pots from a few previous jobs ... nowt massive but now being self employed last November I started my own SIPP (employed can have a SIPP as well).

Got all my little amounts into 1 fund which I now control totally.

Ive followed shares for  few years so put all my fund into shares that pay a dividend of at least 3.5% per year also looked out for companies that were not massive and perhaps not household names so as to get some growth as well.

The thing about a SIPP is its all tax free and since November its gone up in value by 7.5% which for 5 months aint bad I rekons .... got another £500 worth of dividends declared by my companies within the next 2 months or so.

Touched lucky on Thomas Cook shares as they have gone up massively so sold some of them to get my initial investment back into my pot so now playing with the dealers money as it were.

however the best thing about a SIPP as far as im concerned is that it can buy / mortgage commercial property so when I need premises for the business I will pay rent back into SIPP all tax free !

Is it for everyone .... no ...... does it take a lot of time to pick shares ..... yes .................. could I loose the lot ... yes.

smearo

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 10:04:41 pm »
A year + on and I've still not got a pension sorted.. The worrying thing is a lot of friends my age group(40) do not have any pensions either.... My only asset will be my home once the mortgage is payed of......

elite mike

Re: Pensions
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 11:21:27 pm »
dont worry about it , its the biggest con about ,have been paying in for well over

30 years and its worth less now than ten years ago  :'(

worst mistake i have ever made financially .

H20cleaning

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2014, 11:28:17 pm »
Im 21 and as soon as i get my round established i shall
Start paying money into a savings account,
And then go on to buy a property in the future to rent and then one day that will be my pension.
My dad has always said pensions aint worth a thing and are a con! So to just get a savings account going and invest wisely over the years.

Tom White

Re: Pensions
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2014, 12:17:38 am »
17 years of a 22 year pension based on the rank of Staff Sergeant with a one year step up to Warrant Officer (military pensions are based on length of service and rank reached).

I get it at age 60 too; should be nice if I live to get it.

Arnold Palmer

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2014, 06:41:43 am »
I have been paying into a pension for 12 years. It's worth about £20k at the moment, so they tell me anyway. Now they are telling me that it won't be enough and I need to give them more money.

I have no choice but to offer all my employees pensions. I have to set it up - not like before when all I said was; "Do you want a pension? No? Good." This time it actually needs to be in place. Someone is going to make lots of money from 'automatic enrollment' and it ain't going to be any of us.

Pensions are a con.

DaveG

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2014, 07:03:11 am »
No pension here ...We're going to sell the house and down size, also plan on renting the round for 2-250 a week (working on todays rates). That will do nicely  :)
You can't polish a turd

Dave Willis

Re: Pensions
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2014, 08:01:59 am »
i'll go back into porn when I retire.

colin bird

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2014, 06:24:34 pm »
Been self employed for 23 years,been paying into a pension for approx 22 years,have been paying 300 a month for last 12-15 years,current pension pot is 200k,I'm 52 but will hopefully work to 60 then see how my health is and see if I'm able to carry on.

bobplum

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2014, 06:26:03 pm »
check out NEST

G Griffin

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2014, 06:30:02 pm »
i'll go back into porn when I retire.
But how long will your ring piece stand up to it?  ;D
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐

elite mike

Re: Pensions
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2014, 07:32:01 pm »
Been self employed for 23 years,been paying into a pension for approx 22 years,have been paying 300 a month for last 12-15 years,current pension pot is 200k,I'm 52 but will hopefully work to 60 then see how my health is and see if I'm able to carry on.

hi colin , hope that works out for you , but keep your eye out on your plan

ie yearly charges.

weetot

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2014, 07:37:24 pm »
Don't bother.  The definition of a financial advisor is someone who steals your watch, tells you the time then invoices you for the information.

The robbing gets!!
Never take financial advice from people who have no money!

colin bird

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2014, 07:59:32 pm »
Been self employed for 23 years,been paying into a pension for approx 22 years,have been paying 300 a month for last 12-15 years,current pension pot is 200k,I'm 52 but will hopefully work to 60 then see how my health is and see if I'm able to carry on.

hi colin , hope that works out for you , but keep your eye out on your plan

ie yearly charges.
thanks for that will keep an eye on it,think I've got a good ifs but who knows

Tom White

Re: Pensions
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2014, 10:16:16 pm »
Don't bother.  The definition of a financial advisor is someone who steals your watch, tells you the time then invoices you for the information.

The robbing gets!!

Very good and totally agree.  We used to have an IFA turned window cleaner here and he used to get really annoyed about this type of comment.  I wound him up by sticking loads of links up about how dodgy they were.

PoleKing

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2014, 10:19:55 pm »
Don't bother.  The definition of a financial advisor is someone who steals your watch, tells you the time then invoices you for the information.

The robbing gets!!

Very good and totally agree.  We used to have an IFA turned window cleaner here and he used to get really annoyed about this type of comment.  I wound him up by sticking loads of links up about how dodgy they were.

That's unlike you tosh.  ;D
www.LanesWindowCleaning.com

It's just the internet. Try not to worry.

Chris - CBWC

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Re: Pensions
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2014, 06:12:12 pm »
smear, I looked at pensions several years ago, after I'd been a self employed windie for a few years.  A private pension just wasn't for me - there are a lot to choose from, many of which are beyond my understanding but you do have to pay an annual fee for any company to look after your pension for you, and hopefully grow it.  I don't like the loss of control over my money, and I don't like the possibility of losing money (or the value of the pension decreasing below what you put in, or something like that), and it does happen.

I have Five Live on on my radio every day, so try and digest Martin Lewis' weekly updates, which included the recent pension-related updates, ISAs becoming NISAs and the increase in yearly saving limits.

I am 32 (until next month where I will be 28 yet again...) and do not yet have a savings plan in place (debt first, savings second) but I do have thoughts on it - if you are able to, you can save £5000+ in an ISA per year (this changes with NISAs and the combining of the cash ISAs and stocks & shares ISAs - up to 15k then I think, don't know the details), so pick the best rate each year and let your savings make you money.

When you want to retire, you can use your savings to buy yourself an annuity (a salary for the retired) if you wish or do something else with it.  Other suggestions on here are also good if viable for you - downsizing your property should get you a good lump sum but you're hedging your bets on having a large property in 20 years time that you CAN downsize from.

Buying a property to rent out will also get you a monthly income, but you then have to think about how much you'd have left from the income if you're paying a mortgage on this property, council tax, bills.  Plus you don't know what state the housing and rental market will be in.

I really hope I'm not still playing with my pole in 30 years time but if I have to then so be it.  Put a plan in place for your business - 'plan' sounds scary (especially '30 year plan') but it all starts flowing naturally:   I'd like to learn as much as I possibly can about WFP whilst growing my business as much as possible.  Better than me working, is people working for me, allowing me to grow the business further without me having to clean more windows myself.  The increase in income will go in my savings, and therefore my retirement.  I could then stop cleaning windows entirely and just concentrate on getting the work together for the younger lads that I employ.  So I won't need to actually 'retire' at 60-70, just change what I do, and then hopefully pass the business on down the family.

So there's no real detail there, just the start of a plan to be fleshed out as and when.