[SunShineCleaning]

going 35mph in a 30 is illegal,but im sure plenty of the do gooders on here have done so. dont have double standards unless you have never done anything illegal. anyone that says different is a liar

That's an interesting moral argument Luther, how do you feel about the scale of behaviour?

Is going a touch over the speed limit equal to a £1000 bribe?

Is doing 35 in a 30 zone equal to violent crime? Do I have double standards if condemn one and not the other? Do I have double standards if I do the lesser but condemn the greater?

If I'm happy to break the speed limit by 5mph are my morals shot to pieces?

Generally in life punishment for wrong is comensurate with the wrongdoing which indicates a scale of gravity of wrongdoing.

Can a person not have an opinion unless they are faultless?

The argument you state above is weak and generally, although probably not in this case, made when the person in the wrong wants to deflect attention from their actions.

If I go over the speed limit I must accept the consequences which in all likelyhood will be at most 3 points. It may or may not affect my life.

If I get caught accepting or offering a bribe and it goes public my reputation as a business will be forever damaged. It may or may not affect my life but it will affect my reputation. The question of morality comes in when my actions affect other people, an honest business loosing out to backhanders for example, or a company paying over the odds as the process of bidding has been corrupted.

This is an interesting debate and in my opinion filters out the honest from the perfidious.

 

[SunShineCleaning]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 thro

ugh the books?

Yes i put everything through the books as get audited quite reguly as was done for a lot of money last year by hmrc for not declari g everything properly. its all in the price of the job its what i shave off for him. I give it to him cash obviously but i take the hit for it myself from the job. Still well quids in so not a problem!.

OK, excuse my stupidity here  , Do you therefore pay tax on his £600 or do you get a reciept for it and 'put it through the books'?

if hes paid tax on his earnings hes free to do what he likes with his 600. stop questioning how people run their business,its none of yours

I'll ask any question I like, no-one has to respond.

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

How can it be morally right but illegal?

The laws an ass?

[SunShineCleaning]

How can it be morally right but illegal?

The laws an ass?

It can be and in some cases things that are illegal should not be, but I was exploring why the poster felt that bribes were morally ok.

[formb]

commensurate

Good word.

[Dave Willis]

I take them for a ride on my Sunseeker.

[bobplum]

How can it be morally right but illegal?

The laws an ass?

until its on your side

[MATT BATEMAN (OWC)]

How can it be morally right but illegal?

The laws an ass?

It can be and in some cases things that are illegal should not be, but I was exploring why the poster felt that bribes were morally ok.

Because his morals arent what you might expect?

[luther1]

going 35mph in a 30 is illegal,but im sure plenty of the do gooders on here have done so. dont have double standards unless you have never done anything illegal. anyone that says different is a liar

That's an interesting moral argument Luther, how do you feel about the scale of behaviour?

Is going a touch over the speed limit equal to a £1000 bribe?

Is doing 35 in a 30 zone equal to violent crime? Do I have double standards if condemn one and not the other? Do I have double standards if I do the lesser but condemn the greater?

If I'm happy to break the speed limit by 5mph are my morals shot to pieces?

Generally in life punishment for wrong is comensurate with the wrongdoing which indicates a scale of gravity of wrongdoing.

Can a person not have an opinion unless they are faultless?

The argument you state above is weak and generally, although probably not in this case, made when the person in the wrong wants to deflect attention from their actions.

If I go over the speed limit I must accept the consequences which in all likelyhood will be at most 3 points. It may or may not affect my life.

If I get caught accepting or offering a bribe and it goes public my reputation as a business will be forever damaged. It may or may not affect my life but it will affect my reputation. The question of morality comes in when my actions affect other people, an honest business loosing out to backhanders for example, or a company paying over the odds as the process of bidding has been corrupted.

This is an interesting debate and in my opinion filters out the honest from the perfidious.

 

It has nothing to do with dishonesty. I clean businesses and lose the cost of the owners house clean within my invoice,I also clean business owners houses for free as a thank you. That doesn't make me dishonest or a hypocrite. I'm sure if a sweetener to gain a contract was found out it wouldn't go public,we're window cleaners ffs,so don't paint yourself up to be anything more.
Who said the company is paying over the odds,not all contracts are won by price. I won the contract for Southampton football stadium because the other bidder offered to do the first clean for free,and the operations manager said there's no such thing as a free lunch,somewhere along the line they would pay for that free clean.

You carry on in your own superior world. Whether cleaning off ladders or having the best wfp system,doesn't make any of us better than the other. Your blinkered vision of how commerce and vast contracts are won is nieve.

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

I thought that the saints ground
Was looking a little rough lol

[luther1]

I thought that the saints ground
Was looking a little rough lol

It is now,i dont have the contract anymore. A new operations manager took over and took a back hander. And that's the truth haha

[richywilts]

I thought that the saints ground
Was looking a little rough lol

It is now,i dont have the contract anymore. A new operations manager took over and took a back hander. And that's the truth haha

HAHA THATS CLASS

[Joe Martin]

Richy

The answer is a simple no, trying to give back handers can make you look like a slimey weasel and could do you more harm than good, be careful mate if you go down that route
[/quote 100% agree.

[telfordwindowclnr]

Thought this might be of interest.

http://www.sjdaccountancy.com/contractor-expenses-faqs

You can entertain clients, but there are rules.

[SunShineCleaning]

going 35mph in a 30 is illegal,but im sure plenty of the do gooders on here have done so. dont have double standards unless you have never done anything illegal. anyone that says different is a liar

That's an interesting moral argument Luther, how do you feel about the scale of behaviour?

Is going a touch over the speed limit equal to a £1000 bribe?

Is doing 35 in a 30 zone equal to violent crime? Do I have double standards if condemn one and not the other? Do I have double standards if I do the lesser but condemn the greater?

If I'm happy to break the speed limit by 5mph are my morals shot to pieces?

Generally in life punishment for wrong is comensurate with the wrongdoing which indicates a scale of gravity of wrongdoing.

Can a person not have an opinion unless they are faultless?

The argument you state above is weak and generally, although probably not in this case, made when the person in the wrong wants to deflect attention from their actions.

If I go over the speed limit I must accept the consequences which in all likelyhood will be at most 3 points. It may or may not affect my life.

If I get caught accepting or offering a bribe and it goes public my reputation as a business will be forever damaged. It may or may not affect my life but it will affect my reputation. The question of morality comes in when my actions affect other people, an honest business loosing out to backhanders for example, or a company paying over the odds as the process of bidding has been corrupted.

This is an interesting debate and in my opinion filters out the honest from the perfidious.

 

It has nothing to do with dishonesty. I clean businesses and lose the cost of the owners house clean within my invoice,I also clean business owners houses for free as a thank you. That doesn't make me dishonest or a hypocrite. I'm sure if a sweetener to gain a contract was found out it wouldn't go public,we're window cleaners ffs,so don't paint yourself up to be anything more.
Who said the company is paying over the odds,not all contracts are won by price. I won the contract for Southampton football stadium because the other bidder offered to do the first clean for free,and the operations manager said there's no such thing as a free lunch,somewhere along the line they would pay for that free clean.

You carry on in your own superior world. Whether cleaning off ladders or having the best wfp system,doesn't make any of us better than the other. Your blinkered vision of how commerce and vast contracts are won is nieve.

Sorry Luther I didn't mean to rattle you neither did I ask you to explain yourself.

Forums are like pubs. You get into a conversation and it goes one way or the other. You can chip in or leave.

I'm interested in moral conundrums.

[luther1]

going 35mph in a 30 is illegal,but im sure plenty of the do gooders on here have done so. dont have double standards unless you have never done anything illegal. anyone that says different is a liar

That's an interesting moral argument Luther, how do you feel about the scale of behaviour?

Is going a touch over the speed limit equal to a £1000 bribe?

Is doing 35 in a 30 zone equal to violent crime? Do I have double standards if condemn one and not the other? Do I have double standards if I do the lesser but condemn the greater?

If I'm happy to break the speed limit by 5mph are my morals shot to pieces?

Generally in life punishment for wrong is comensurate with the wrongdoing which indicates a scale of gravity of wrongdoing.

Can a person not have an opinion unless they are faultless?

The argument you state above is weak and generally, although probably not in this case, made when the person in the wrong wants to deflect attention from their actions.

If I go over the speed limit I must accept the consequences which in all likelyhood will be at most 3 points. It may or may not affect my life.

If I get caught accepting or offering a bribe and it goes public my reputation as a business will be forever damaged. It may or may not affect my life but it will affect my reputation. The question of morality comes in when my actions affect other people, an honest business loosing out to backhanders for example, or a company paying over the odds as the process of bidding has been corrupted.

This is an interesting debate and in my opinion filters out the honest from the perfidious.

 

It has nothing to do with dishonesty. I clean businesses and lose the cost of the owners house clean within my invoice,I also clean business owners houses for free as a thank you. That doesn't make me dishonest or a hypocrite. I'm sure if a sweetener to gain a contract was found out it wouldn't go public,we're window cleaners ffs,so don't paint yourself up to be anything more.
Who said the company is paying over the odds,not all contracts are won by price. I won the contract for Southampton football stadium because the other bidder offered to do the first clean for free,and the operations manager said there's no such thing as a free lunch,somewhere along the line they would pay for that free clean.

You carry on in your own superior world. Whether cleaning off ladders or having the best wfp system,doesn't make any of us better than the other. Your blinkered vision of how commerce and vast contracts are won is nieve.

Sorry Luther I didn't mean to rattle you neither did I ask you to explain yourself.

Forums are like pubs. You get into a conversation and it goes one way or the other. You can chip in or leave.

I'm interested in moral conundrums.

You're the type that sits in a pub on his own. Who,in all honesty would want to have a drink with you,you're boring

[deeege]

Thought this might be of interest.

http://www.sjdaccountancy.com/contractor-expenses-faqs

You can entertain clients, but there are rules.

Nope. Might interest you but certainly didn't interest me.

[SunShineCleaning]

going 35mph in a 30 is illegal,but im sure plenty of the do gooders on here have done so. dont have double standards unless you have never done anything illegal. anyone that says different is a liar

That's an interesting moral argument Luther, how do you feel about the scale of behaviour?

Is going a touch over the speed limit equal to a £1000 bribe?

Is doing 35 in a 30 zone equal to violent crime? Do I have double standards if condemn one and not the other? Do I have double standards if I do the lesser but condemn the greater?

If I'm happy to break the speed limit by 5mph are my morals shot to pieces?

Generally in life punishment for wrong is comensurate with the wrongdoing which indicates a scale of gravity of wrongdoing.

Can a person not have an opinion unless they are faultless?

The argument you state above is weak and generally, although probably not in this case, made when the person in the wrong wants to deflect attention from their actions.

If I go over the speed limit I must accept the consequences which in all likelyhood will be at most 3 points. It may or may not affect my life.

If I get caught accepting or offering a bribe and it goes public my reputation as a business will be forever damaged. It may or may not affect my life but it will affect my reputation. The question of morality comes in when my actions affect other people, an honest business loosing out to backhanders for example, or a company paying over the odds as the process of bidding has been corrupted.

This is an interesting debate and in my opinion filters out the honest from the perfidious.

 

It has nothing to do with dishonesty. I clean businesses and lose the cost of the owners house clean within my invoice,I also clean business owners houses for free as a thank you. That doesn't make me dishonest or a hypocrite. I'm sure if a sweetener to gain a contract was found out it wouldn't go public,we're window cleaners ffs,so don't paint yourself up to be anything more.
Who said the company is paying over the odds,not all contracts are won by price. I won the contract for Southampton football stadium because the other bidder offered to do the first clean for free,and the operations manager said there's no such thing as a free lunch,somewhere along the line they would pay for that free clean.

You carry on in your own superior world. Whether cleaning off ladders or having the best wfp system,doesn't make any of us better than the other. Your blinkered vision of how commerce and vast contracts are won is nieve.

Sorry Luther I didn't mean to rattle you neither did I ask you to explain yourself.

Forums are like pubs. You get into a conversation and it goes one way or the other. You can chip in or leave.

I'm interested in moral conundrums.

You're the type that sits in a pub on his own. Who,in all honesty would want to have a drink with you,you're boring

  Classic!