[formb]

It's better known by it's common name of 'marriage'.

You give your wife a backhander?

[SunShineCleaning]

It's interesting how some are able to moralize a backhander into good business.

IMO there is a difference between incentives and bribes.

An incentive such as a meal while discussing a contract is a small price for networking. It is if you like a marketing gamble and as such goes in the books.
A £1000 cash brown envelope for a £50k contract to the contracts manager is both immoral and illegal. I guess that doesn't appear on the books.

Leaving the morality aside. If the contracts manager and yourself are prepared to do something illegal your business has not got a solid foundation and no one has any reason to ever trust you again.

[roundbuilder]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

[SunShineCleaning]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 through the books?

[roundbuilder]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 through the books?

Yes i put everything through the books as get audited quite reguly as was done for a lot of money last year by hmrc for not declari g everything properly. its all in the price of the job its what i shave off for him. I give it to him cash obviously but i take the hit for it myself from the job. Still well quids in so not a problem!.

[telfordwindowclnr]

It's interesting how some are able to moralize a backhander into good business.

IMO there is a difference between incentives and bribes.

An incentive such as a meal while discussing a contract is a small price for networking. It is if you like a marketing gamble and as such goes in the books.
A £1000 cash brown envelope for a £50k contract to the contracts manager is both immoral and illegal. I guess that doesn't appear on the books.

Leaving the morality aside. If the contracts manager and yourself are prepared to do something illegal your business has not got a solid foundation and no one has any reason to ever trust you again.

I wholeheartedly agree with the above. I never have and never would give someone a bung. Incentives are the way to go.

An Arabic proverb which I apply to my business and my life is: "He who commits no crime by day, fears not a knock at he door by night."

[SunShineCleaning]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 through the books?

Yes i put everything through the books as get audited quite reguly as was done for a lot of money last year by hmrc for not declari g everything properly. its all in the price of the job its what i shave off for him. I give it to him cash obviously but i take the hit for it myself from the job. Still well quids in so not a problem!.

OK, excuse my stupidity here  , Do you therefore pay tax on his £600 or do you get a reciept for it and 'put it through the books'?

[roundbuilder]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 through the books?

Yes i put everything through the books as get audited quite reguly as was done for a lot of money last year by hmrc for not declari g everything properly. its all in the price of the job its what i shave off for him. I give it to him cash obviously but i take the hit for it myself from the job. Still well quids in so not a problem!.

OK, excuse my stupidity here  , Do you therefore pay tax on his £600 or do you get a reciept for it and 'put it through the books'?

I pay the tax on it and take the hit. i like the setup and arrangment we have on it as i get to keep the contract as my mate will keep saying how happy he is with the window cleaners and that we always provide the best quote. Happy days.

[SunShineCleaning]

Does your mate not worry that it may go against his terms of contract?

[Richard Shepherd]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 through the books?

Yes i put everything through the books as get audited quite reguly as was done for a lot of money last year by hmrc for not declari g everything properly. its all in the price of the job its what i shave off for him. I give it to him cash obviously but i take the hit for it myself from the job. Still well quids in so not a problem!.

OK, excuse my stupidity here  , Do you therefore pay tax on his £600 or do you get a reciept for it and 'put it through the books'?

I pay the tax on it and take the hit. i like the setup and arrangment we have on it as i get to keep the contract as my mate will keep saying how happy he is with the window cleaners and that we always provide the best quote. Happy days.

It's a brave man that will put down in black and white on an open forum tales of bribery and corruption..  Only saying.

[richard jagger]

In politics its call lobbying, In business its an incentive, Pro bono with attorneys, back streets its a bung some might call it a sweetener, its still the same stuff.  No matter in which wrapping you put it. Immoral, I dont think so.ILLEGAL it is.But its done .

[SunShineCleaning]

In politics its call lobbying, In business its an incentive, Pro bono with attorneys, back streets its a bung some might call it a sweetener, its still the same stuff.  No matter in which wrapping you put it. Immoral, I dont think so.ILLEGAL it is.But its done .

How can it be morally right but illegal?  Are you saying it should not be illegal? Or are you referring just to your own view of morality?

[richard jagger]

I think it would think what you call immoral is it not. There is many chaps that do back handers and dont think anything of it. I dont think you should put words in my mouth as I am able to speak for myself.
Parking on the pavement is illegal, but I dont think its immoral. Thank you your honour.

[st teath windows]

If you do the courts 6 times per year, and give your mate £200 per visit. Isnt that £1200 per year or am i missing something?

[SunShineCleaning]

I think it would think what you call immoral is it not. There is many chaps that do back handers and dont think anything of it. I dont think you should put words in my mouth as I am able to speak for myself.
Parking on the pavement is illegal, but I dont think its immoral. Thank you your honour.

Just trying to understand your point of view. Maybe we differ on what morality is.

[luther1]

I think it would think what you call immoral is it not. There is many chaps that do back handers and dont think anything of it. I dont think you should put words in my mouth as I am able to speak for myself.
Parking on the pavement is illegal, but I dont think its immoral. Thank you your honour.

Just trying to understand your point of view. Maybe we differ on what morality is.

[luther1]

going 35mph in a 30 is illegal,but im sure plenty of the do gooders on here have done so. dont have double standards unless you have never done anything illegal. anyone that says different is a liar

[luther1]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 thro

ugh the books?

Yes i put everything through the books as get audited quite reguly as was done for a lot of money last year by hmrc for not declari g everything properly. its all in the price of the job its what i shave off for him. I give it to him cash obviously but i take the hit for it myself from the job. Still well quids in so not a problem!.

OK, excuse my stupidity here  , Do you therefore pay tax on his £600 or do you get a reciept for it and 'put it through the books'?

if hes paid tax on his earnings hes free to do what he likes with his 600. stop questioning how people run their business,its none of yours

[roundbuilder]

If you do the courts 6 times per year, and give your mate £200 per visit. Isnt that £1200 per year or am i missing something?

Yes your correct it should be 6 courts 3 times a year. My bad.

[roundbuilder]

I do a few courts who my best mate is a contracts manager for the cleaning side of things. I get 6k a year from them but to get the job at my price i give my mate £200 each time i do them which is 3 courts 6 times a year. I didnt do it to get the job but the way i see it is if i keep him happy he will keep me happy withough listning to cheaper quotes etc. £600 to earn 6k works fine for me.

Do you put the £600 through the books?

Yes i put everything through the books as get audited quite reguly as was done for a lot of money last year by hmrc for not declari g everything properly. its all in the price of the job its what i shave off for him. I give it to him cash obviously but i take the hit for it myself from the job. Still well quids in so not a problem!.

OK, excuse my stupidity here  , Do you therefore pay tax on his £600 or do you get a reciept for it and 'put it through the books'?

I pay the tax on it and take the hit. i like the setup and arrangment we have on it as i get to keep the contract as my mate will keep saying how happy he is with the window cleaners and that we always provide the best quote. Happy days.

It's a brave man that will put down in black and white on an open forum tales of bribery and corruption..  Only saying.

Bribery and corruption?? Get a grip man i clean The windows ffs, i see it as an open door that wont shut on me for the te being. I replied to a thread on a window cleaning forum that i pay tax on the money. How will my mate get in trouble if he wont get found out??.
Im not a brave man im just honest about things. End of the day money talks!.