[creighton foyle]

there have been a couple of threads on here recently about tacca and how some people think it should be run with a comittee and others saying they dont feel the need to be a part of any association etc so i thought i would pose the question  is tacca destined to fail ?.

with a membership that is growing week by week and what looks like the makings of a very succesful upcoming training day it would seem that tacca is going to go from strength to strength so what can go wrong ?
you tell me ?

I think we will be sorting the wheat from the chaff when the organisation starts to ask for subscriptions, people can be very enthusiastic about all sorts of things when they come for free but once you start to ask them for money they soon change their tune, i wonder how many members will leave once asked to pay a contribition towards the future success of the organisation.

if anyone feels they would like to contribute to this thread can we please steer away from praising / slating derek and just debate the question.

i am a member of tacca but that is the total extent of my involment in the organisation and i am in favour of subscription fees (after a committee / board of directors has been formed) and i think the organisation needs them (subscription fees) before it can move forward.

[Simon Gerrard]

Oh no, come on, not another TACCA thread, it's been flogged to death lately, can we give it a rest for a while?

Simon

[Phillip Mold]

Exactly, Tacca break

[Dennis]

Exactly, Tacca break

 

[heritagecleaning]

The first rule of TACCA is "YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT TACCA"

[wynne jones]

Exactly, Tacca break

Very good. 

[Phillip Mold]

Thanks. I'm NaCCA'd too!

[Jamie Pearson]

If I Can Remember Correctly this has all been discussed previously!

[creighton foyle]

i dont recall anyone discussing how many members are likely to stay on once subscriptions start so i thought it would be a good sunday morning debate . with over two hundred members i thought it would be good to see which way the wind blows.

 but no one wants to play today 

[Fran84]

Funny this. As soon as someone asks a sensible question no-one wants to debate

Personally, I do not know this answer to your question Creighton. Only time will tell.

I guess it really depends on how much the subscription fee is going to be and how much any 'member' values their postion within the association.

Is it worth £400? £500? etc. I really don't know. I guess Derek has a rough idea about fees but I guarantee that will change as it wouldv'e been under/over estimated.

[Simon Gerrard]

If I Can Remember Correctly this has all been discussed previously!

Endlessly zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[jim mca]

If it provides value for money then it will succeed regardless of the actual cost   

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys

We get the organisations we deserve.

Cheers

Doug

[Griffus]

If it is getting to that point then the sensible way to find this out is to email each member and ask them outside of this forum. This is ultimately a TACCA matter and not really for the forum.

[creighton foyle]

If it is getting to that point then the sensible way to find this out is to email each member and ask them outside of this forum. This is ultimately a TACCA matter and not really for the forum.

your absolutely right Ian what a good suggestion !

[SteveAllan]

It will depend on how much and what you get for it in the end, if its as much as the NCCA and gives as little then I would imagine quite a few will body swerve it.

[Neil Williams]

i dont recall anyone discussing how many members are likely to stay on once subscriptions start

Having been there quite a few years back with a 'new window cleaning organisation' everyone was enthusiastic up until the day 'subscriptions' were mentioned.
Fact of life, everyone (and that includes carpet cleaners) likes something for nothing but once payment is mentioned the whole game plan changes.

[wynne jones]

is tacca destined to fail?

Define failure.

Does it have to swallow up the NCCA to be deemed a success or just a group of guys getting together for traings every now and then, maybe paying an anuual fee maybe, or maybe not getting a ROI?

[robert meldrum]

As I've posted previously, I'm NOT a fan of Associations although I've had to join several in my past working life and all of them required proof of Professional Competence before admitting anyone. That gave the associations credence and the same applied to members who had on all occasions proven their competence by completing training to the required standard and had been assessed by qualified individuals to ensure they not only met the educational requirements but were competent practitioners.

If a Carpet Cleaning Industry Association is able to fulfill the above then they will deserve the support of the individual operators throughout the UK, but I don't believe any association ( existing or starting up ) has the right to dictate to the hundreds of self employed carpet cleaners how they must clean and what they must use in terms of machinery or chemicals.

This is a very diverse industry and the same or very similar results can be achieved by using many different approaches and there are many suppliers out there who would be VERY UNHAPPY if they found potential or existing customers were being encouraged to dump them.

At best I think TACCA has simply replaced the CCDO which was already providing a very similar service.

[Andrew Briscoe]

Been to the last 2 tacca events and going to the next, great learning days,
but if you are not 1 for mixing with others or interested in meeting other cleaners then it is obviously not for you.

Dont think there is any dictating of how to clean a carpet, and you are certainly not dictated on which chemicals to use.

I find these days exremely valuable, and the small cost is nothing to what you gain.

Will I pay a subscription, I dont see why not. I have already had work from the website.

Andrew