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wynne jones

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2013, 10:53:27 am »
I pre vacced a carpet once and the customer walked in an said  "wow what a great result"

You know she's easily pleased when you haven't even cleaned it yet and she happy.  ;D

Yep and personal pride means you carry on, but how many start packing up?
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Dennis

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2013, 11:00:21 am »
and just because she says it's 100% wool doesn't mean it is.

Craigp

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2013, 11:00:53 am »
Yes I'm sure some would, couldn't do it myself.

Just like protector, some offer it at such a low price, and we know what the cost of the product. Most likely water going down.

CraigHaycock

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2013, 11:27:46 am »
Why do your fear the job? 100% is treated the same as 80% wool, rememeber that when you clean carpets you clean for the majority fibre.
why fear someone that is insistant? simply state that you are willing to come and ATTEMP removal & if successful you will clean the whole area for either your minim fee or whatever you are wanting, if she is ok with this then hey presto, ask yourself why she is like this, most probably she has been ripped off in the past. reassure her that you will treat stain to best advantage blah blah blah, you will probably find she warms to you slighty because you are not only being honest but also careing.

Paul McHugh

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2013, 12:11:45 pm »
Wynne and Derek what a double act great lol.
She told me she rejected a previous cleaner because a he could not fit her in before the 16th and would not guarantee
100% stain removal. Sent an email with the Doctor analogy Can He Guarantee to cure you ---No but tries his best
(my Doctor excluded )
still bit light on the Solutions products and method Hot  /  Cold  prey spray Hot/cold rinse SPM  M Power Fusion 8
got nothing specifically for wool though   

james roffey

Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2013, 12:15:12 pm »
She could well turn out to be a great customer who brings you loads more work, it's like Russian roulette though, safer to not load the gun in the first place. It is definatley a risk, and one that you have pre warning of.

wynne jones

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2013, 12:28:10 pm »
Taking the woman and her demands out of the equation if I was you I would have no problems using SPM on wool.

Now there may be the odd carpet I see and my gut says hang on lets just test this one, or lets use Prespray gold or this is a shrinker or whatever. This is my unconscious knowledge (which you dont have yet) raising a flag. So I would test every carpet for fiber and dye tranfer beforehand. Its a good exercise for you but doubt anyone experienced does it all the time - unless a flag goes up.

For spotting its what works best for each type of stain, in this case I would rinse cold first, then try spm at PS strength.

I use powerburst on many wool carpets, especially ones you don't want to aggitate.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Derek_Walker

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2013, 02:40:08 pm »
Paul, you cannot guarantee removal of the coffee stain from wool, period. If you get past that issue with the customer then cleaning is fairly straight forward as long as you check construction etc. If you are using Solutions products I would use Mpower rather than SPM as it does not contain oxygen. The carpets have not been down long so would probably not need anything too strong for prespray, use plain water rinse, hot or cold.

Paul McHugh

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2013, 04:08:05 pm »
Thanks Derek ,
Heard nothing from her since I said no guarantee
But you say Mpower I know it needs a good dwell time perhaps 15/20 mins
but what about my Oreck orbiter, do I still agitate or just leave and rinse with no acid?

*Hector*

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2013, 04:16:47 pm »
agitate mate...

put the mpower down, and agitate as soon as you like, the sooner the better.... then leave to dwell for 15-20 mins.... Remember mpower needs the water to work so do not mix it stronger than recommended..  ;D
Everyday this forum slips further from God.  :'(

Griffus

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2013, 04:38:38 pm »
Natural stains on natural fibres can be impossible.

There are no guarantees, ever.

This isn't roulette, it's business.

If she has already said she's not paying unless you can remove it you should agree to go, arrange a time, say 11a.m. then, just don't show up. When she calls to see where you are, don't answer, let her wonder.

Alternatively, you could just be honest and say there are no guarantees but my price for treating the stain, with no guarantee as to level of improvement, and cleaning the lot is ££££.

She'll most likely say she has to speak to her hubby and call you back. Either way it will be a better result for you.


Craigp

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2013, 05:20:16 pm »
Yeah don't turn up then when she calls say, I only guarantee to turn up if Im woking for customers that guarantee to pay me.

I would use sod met on this, surely thats the only thing with any chance? or try acid spotter.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2013, 11:37:55 pm »
Yeah don't turn up then when she calls say, I only guarantee to turn up if Im woking for customers that guarantee to pay me.

I would use sod met on this, surely thats the only thing with any chance? or try acid spotter.

exactly!!

What a sour faced.....!!


Richard Cole

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #33 on: March 03, 2013, 09:40:53 am »
I recently turned down a job because the customer was a pain in the neck. 

Started off calling me at 9pm (you just know they will be trouble when they call at that time :))  Indian gentleman wanted a letting property cleaned and could i come round to quote, oh and can i bring my spotting kit as he doesn't want to book me if i can't prove i can remove the stains.

Went the next day to do a pre-inspection and quote, flat was on 4 floor with very steep stairs, no lifts, the flat was basically in the middle of being re-plastered and decorated with rubble all over the carpets.  In addition the carpets were heavily stained, the worst i have every seen.  I nearly walked then and there but got my spotting kit out and showed him that yes most of the stains would come out but he basically wanted me to test nearly every stain in the property first.  I was there nearly an hour, i ended up quoting over £200 to include a builders clean first to clear the rubble from carpet, the flat was tiny by the way but i really didn't want the job and was trying to price myself out of the job.

He rang two days later to book me, funny i since last meeting him I had become fully booked until the middle March which was too late for him.  Some customers are not worth it and as others have said you need to know when to say no and walk.  Yes i could have done this job and got a good result but i dare say he would have found fault somewhere and refused to pay or tried to get me to discount.  In addition i would have struggle to get my equipment up the steep stairs, i have a Storm,  and it is not worth damaging equipment,  i would add that i quite frequently take my Storm up to second and third floor flats but this when the stairs are nice and shallow as are 99% of purpose built flats.

Paul, i only use Solutions products and they are great, however I would book to do some training with Ken Wainwright when the training dates are announced as you need to know what products to use in the right situations.  In this instance S.P.M was not the way to go.

former carpet cleaner, now retired!

B Bailey

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #34 on: March 03, 2013, 11:28:38 am »
Tell her
A. You do not give any guarantees on stain removal
B. you do not give out any prices without a survey, to find out how big the stain is, how old the stain is, if the carpet is wool.
C. While doing the survey you can carry out a demo to see if it comes out.

If she doesn't want you to survey, tell her politely that Merlin is away on holiday spending his millions from being able to guarantee stain removal.

Paul McHugh

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #35 on: March 03, 2013, 03:28:51 pm »

Richard C
OK what should I be using and at what temperatures if nt SPM or M-Power
The final chapter a copy of the last email from customer---------------
 
It is comforting to know that you are crb verified, unfortunately we suffered a theft by a tradesman at our property some time ago and this has of course left us quite wary.
 Re the stain, I am contacting our insurance company tomorrow and shall be lead by them, the carpets we had put down totaled just over £12,000.00 (throughout the house) so i'm quite eager to have them made right, nothing was put on the stain or no removal has been attempted by ourselves to remove, i'm a firm believer in letting knowledgeable professionals undertake work.

My guess is the insurance company wont ring me!!!
 Paul

wynne jones

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #36 on: March 03, 2013, 03:50:52 pm »
They may come back, you are cheaper than a new carpet.

I still say rinse first with cold water no matter what she says about not putting anything on it.

Make sure its clear she pays you on the day for your time and expertise, not the insuarance company.

If unsuccesful write her an inspection report to pass on to insurerers. Include a picture of the stain before you attempted removal and after.
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Carpet Dawg

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #37 on: March 03, 2013, 04:58:16 pm »
avoid avoid avoid!! avoid like the plague!!

Why are you even replying to her Paul? There's plenty of carpets to clean out there!

B Bailey

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #38 on: March 03, 2013, 05:10:41 pm »
Be Careful, if you can't get it out and you could cause more problems, insurance may not pay out if you are not woolsafe certified.
She may then try to claim on your insurance, Have you got treatment risk.
Also if you supply a report you need to write everything down including your survey and how You concluded its wool, you can't say cos custy told me.

If you do go ahead cold water rinse first.

wynne jones

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Re: 100% wool Expensve Carpets
« Reply #39 on: March 03, 2013, 05:20:47 pm »
Paul

Can I ask, do you have much work on? As we all keep saying probably best put this one out of your mind and do some proactive marketing, you dont need the spotting fee that bad. On the other hand it seems you dont feel too confident with your spotting skills and are looking for reassurance, is it more that?
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.