[The TACCA Scrutineer]

All successful Associations are constituted and have an elected Committee to manage and operate their Association on behalf of their member's.

Here is a great example as to why an Association needs such a set up....

http://www.cvsfife.org/publications/committees.htm

So, instead of 50 odd 'active' member's of the 'old boys cub' run by one person, why on earth is Mr West so reluctant to set up a constituted association, and why are the vocal member's on here so happy to go along with the current set up (or lack of it)?

I can only imagine the consequences 'down the line' when officials come knocking as protocol wasn't adhered to, or when he starts charging an annual subscription way above what you were all expecting to pay...

If I were involved with this 'friendly' group I would be demanding a Committee be formed this year at the Training Day, elected through all the member's attending, or by postal ballot.

It seems odd that so many are allowing the status quo (not the band) to continue.

I just hope it doesn't end up in tears in more ways than one for its current 'cling ons' 

[AshWhite]

If the joining fee is considered a bad investment, then you don't join. If you're not happy with the way its set up, don't join. If you want something different, don't join.

If you think you can get out more than you put in, are happy to exchange ideas and mix with like-minded (except Billy) folk, and want to support something with a positive purpose - then do join.

Why is this so difficult?

I'm not keen on the way the NCCA is setup, I don't think it would be a good ROI for me - so I don't join. I like the way TACCA is handled, and so far its cost me almost nothing - I'm happy. Anything else, we'll cross that bridge when it comes to it. You're not signing your life away by joining now - you've got lots to gain and nothing to lose!.

Regardless, I don't feel the need to come on here and question every aspect of the NCCA/IICRC/IRA - I simply don't consider it for my needs. I do, however, appreciate that it suits other people - and am perfectly happy to let them carry on while I (literally) mind my own business.

[james roffey]

If the joining fee is considered a bad investment, then you don't join. If you're not happy with the way its set up, don't join. If you want something different, don't join.

If you think you can get out more than you put in, are happy to exchange ideas and mix with like-minded (except Billy) folk, and want to support something with a positive purpose - then do join.

Why is this so difficult?

I'm not keen on the way the NCCA is setup, I don't think it would be a good ROI for me - so I don't join. I like the way TACCA is handled, and so far its cost me almost nothing - I'm happy. Anything else, we'll cross that bridge when it comes to it. You're not signing your life away by joining now - you've got lots to gain and nothing to lose!.

Regardless, I don't feel the need to come on here and question every aspect of the NCCA/IICRC/IRA - I simply don't consider it for my needs. I do, however, appreciate that it suits other people - and am perfectly happy to let them carry on while I (literally) mind my own business.

Ash, Very well put, concise,to the point and fair.

But could you please explain that in a way that Andrew understands    can anyone explain it in a way that Andrew understands ?

[Dominic Carnell]

All this nonsense is spoiling my lunch time read.

As I said in the other thread, if Derek changes things to make it unattractive then people will disassociate themselves from it, thereby effectively exercising their own individual vote as to whether it's a go or not.

It's only organisations which you HAVE to be a member of that need a regimented board/voting system because a simple stay/go voting policy isn't applicable.

Does anyway else suspect that A. Laurrey is involved with another carpet cleaning association?

[bennymon]

If you don't like the way it's run and don't want to join why don't you just shut the f###k up and let the rest of us to get on with it .del   

[jasonl]

I didnt like the way TACCA  was set up , so I said my piece to Derek , and got on with life , I respect Derek for what he has done , he is the same as me , Haters are his motivators , so Hate away Mr Laurrey.

[The TACCA Scrutineer]

I do not hate TACCA nor do I hate Mr West or anyone else on here 
Why is it that you lot think I'm a hater cos I'm pointing out facts/issues that need addressing?

My argument is, if the Association is going to be successful it needs to be set up properly, why on earth is it not being set up correctly from day one?

Its a shame the CLEAN association didn't take off as they did at least establish a sitting Committee from day one. Maybe it can be re-started? TACCA is at the moment very farcical 

[james roffey]

If you don't like the way it's run and don't want to join why don't you just shut the f###k up and let the rest of us to get on with it .del    

Very well put, concise, to the point and fair.

Can you put it in a way that Andrew understands though  

[The TACCA Scrutineer]

Oh, I fully understand. However, what you don't realise that all this makes good reading for potential member's. I want them to see that it is not a democratic association, if an Association at all, and they may be led down the 'garden path' along the way.

 

[james roffey]

Derek for f..ck sake let's have a vote on TACCA i'm with Andrew on this all the way, anything please, dear god anything to make him shut up. he's like a monkey on the back of this forum.

Please accept my resignation from TACCA if Mr whatever his name is joins, as the AGM would never end due to endless points of order.



Remind you of anyone ? answers on a post card to TACCA.

You clearly have a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder. A collection of very irritating personality traits that include stubbornness, orderliness, and a desire to control others and their surroundings. It makes a person meticulous or fixated about little things, nit-picking or paying extreme attention to detail, and trying to control his or her environment and other people. They do things “by the book’’ with no flexibility in the way they complete tasks, and expect others to do and think as they. It’s their way or the highway, basically. They are the worst people to work for or live with. If things don’t go their way, they go nuts! Anally retentive people are usually very annoying...

[Simon@arenaclean]

Great thing about a garden path is you can walk across the grass anytime you please, turn around, or even shut the gate. You just have to keep an eye out for moles, pesky blighters.

[gwrightson]

Well i got to admit I have been reading these posts with great interest, really just for the amusment factor

I do however , see , i think !!!!!!! the point  that A Laurrey is trying to make, from the information I have read he was initialy asking it to be transparent, and of course this has escalated more into a slanging match, for want of a better phrase.
I am a member of a number of different clubs and societys, unrelated to c/c and what i do know is that however small they are ,legaly a secratary, a tresurer an elected commitee should be formed with transparent records available at any time for mrmbers to see.   I may well be completly wrong, but that is the impression i get from the clubs i am a memeber of.
let me stress, i am not against tacca. i admire Dericks balls, not literlaly Derick  by the way, but just looking at A laurreys perspective.  
I have no desire to get involved either way, but fele i had to say what i was thinking, oh and yes i do understand the defensive comments from tacca members, after all, they are all trying to benifit from tacca, and why not.
good luck, to all. members and non members .

Geoff

[james roffey]

Geoff

A reasonable and thought out response, which no reasonable person would have a problem with. try repeating the same argument ad infinitum like some shop steward from the seventies, and you get an idea of what Mr what's his name has brought to this forum.

Mr Andrew Laurrey if that is his real name as we know nothing about him as he's rather secretive like that, well  he's has become the kid in the back seat saying
 "are we there yet are we there yet are we there yet"

You get the picture

[AshWhite]

A treasurer et al would be responsible for club/association funds (among other things). At this point in time, completely irrelevant to TACCA - unless you expect a committee to form to tell Derek how to spend his money?

[Dennis]

It's getting like the bleedin Wheeltappers & Shunters Social Club in here.
" We av a few items from the committee"

[heritagecleaning]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55fqjw2J1vI

[The TACCA Scrutineer]

A treasurer et al would be responsible for club/association funds (among other things). At this point in time, completely irrelevant to TACCA - unless you expect a committee to form to tell Derek how to spend his money?

Then it's not an Association. It should have been called something different like

'Derek's Approved Carpet Cleaner's Network'

Why con member's of the public in acting or wanting to be like an association when clearly it's not. It's a one man band outfit with a website  

I'm sure calling yourself an Association when you're not even registered is asking for trouble  

[AshWhite]

Andrew, that contradicts the information you posted last week.

[The TACCA Scrutineer]

Andrew, that contradicts the information you posted last week.

Enlighten me?

[Allan Simmons]

Sorry boys, couldn't resist...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7-z4Dz5ZU4

Enjoy