[The TACCA Scrutineer]

Does TACCA. Exist outside of this forum?

 most of the topics start to follow the same theme of a few member sharing daft jokes, or praise for Derek having the gumption to give it a go which seams to be the stock  response for any criticism of TACCA

Do you think if the founding members of the Ncca where involved in a discussion they would start postings pictures of them selves with Hitler  mustaches

Agreed  

I also think if suppliers or non CIP member's knew the way 'key member's' conducted themselves on this forum they would probably retract their association with it 

[Simon Gerrard]

carpet cleaners getting drunk on a friday night... no problem with that but do you think at a get together where you are putting your self forward as a potential representative of our industry and trying to recruit members it is sensible?.

If it were the annual general meeting of Alcoholic Anonymous, you may have a point, but where on earth is the harm in a group of otherwise thoroughly professional people letting their hair down, having a few beers and a laugh at a private get-together?
This calls into question the goings on at millions of Christmas parties which, following Mike's logic, should be banned as bad advertising because, perish the thought, the public might get to hear of their antics and turn against the company involved, yet they do the very same thing at their Christmas party. Hmmm.

Simon

[Simon Gerrard]

Does TACCA. Exist outside of this forum?

 most of the topics start to follow the same theme of a few member sharing daft jokes, or praise for Derek having the gumption to give it a go which seams to be the stock  response for any criticism of TACCA

Do you think if the founding members of the Ncca where involved in a discussion they would start postings pictures of them selves with Hitler  mustaches

Agreed  

I also think if suppliers or non CIP member's knew the way 'key member's' conducted themselves on this forum they would probably retract their association with it 

I think you will find it was them who bought the drinks in the first place.
You should go to one of Hydrmaster's day outs, free booze all day...terrible public relations tho

[*Hector*]

thoroughly professional people letting their hair down,
Simon

Have you seen the flaw in your logic here Simon??? 

most of us don't have hair.. 

[The TACCA Scrutineer]

but where on earth is the harm in a group of otherwise thoroughly professional people letting their hair down, having a few beers and a laugh at a private get-together? Simon

You're exactly right there, as that's all it will ever be, "a few people having a few beers at a private function" (until of course it's managed properly)  

[Simon Gerrard]

Funny, isn't it, you're the only one complaining about how TACCA is managed and you're not even a member, please don't join

[The TACCA Scrutineer]

Funny, isn't it, you're the only one complaining about how TACCA is managed and you're not even a member, please don't join

Er, have you read some of the other posts?  

[creighton foyle]

mike i dont need to tell you that derek used to be a prolific poster on here and not all his posts were sensible ones . however since forming tacca his posts have been in keeping with his position as the founder of what i believe will be a leading organisation for our trade in the future.

 as for people posting praise for dereek and tacca, have you met him ?. i have met him twice and the man is sound, i did not see him drunk and you can only speak as you find, he is motivated and determined and if he cant make tacca work then no one can.

There is an old saying "walk before you run" and that is what tacca is doing, if members were asked to pay subscriptions for a new organisation with no track record then i doubt there would be many but by building the membership up slowly and establishing a trust and track record with actions not words members will have confidence in what is being done and when the membership grows to the point where we can talk of committees to help run things and subscriptions to help pay for things maybe tacca will have a real chance at success for all of us.

derek 240 members in the short time tacca has been running, thats about a third of what the ncca has after over 30 years brilliant lets hope tacca can keep growing and achieve all its aims.

[Billy Russell]

Derek only wishes he could let his hair down!!!!!!!!!!


 

[Simon Gerrard]

Creighton,
Well said, Sir.
I think what people are missing here is that Derek has built TACCA from the ground up through his own efforts and resources and that alone bestows huge respect upon the man and should, by rights have even those who are not with him, tipping their caps to him, if for no other reason than he has at least had the balls to stand up, stick his head above the parapet and actually do something, despite the best efforts of the naysayers and hecklers.
Simon

[Billy Russell]

I know exactly what Derek has gone through to get this up and running, you can't help but admire the bloke! ( I had to say that, he's feeling inadequate as his blower is not as powerful as mine)

I don't agree with everything Tacca does, same as i don't agree with everything the NCCA do, but they're both trying to improve our industry!

Well Done Derek, May it continue!

P.s

There will be no Mercy at the TACCA day!!!! Your getting your ass kicked end of!!!!!! Remember the story of David and Goliath, So bring it on Big Boy!!!   

 

[Dennis]

NCCA might be run by old fogeys but they are professional old fogeys who always maintain a  professional attitude....if it came to who I would choose to represent our industry these old fogeys would  be my first choice

Don't tell me you've not seen the picture of the ex-NCCA director cleaning in the buff which was on the forums at one point?
It was what it was, a bit of silliness.
If you haven't seen it I'm sure Mr Russell has it in his private collection.  

[Billy Russell]

If you haven't seen it I'm sure Mr Russell has it in his private collection.  

How did you know?

Isn't that the same person doing the solutions course?

Fairplay to him having the bottle to do it! Mind you, i can't say much after my picture on xmas day, showing off my new slippers! 

[Mike Halliday]

Like I said anything seen as  critism of TACCA  get the stock answer of what a great guy Derek is and what a fab job he's done  which is'nt in question I agree with that sentiment. I have met Derek he is a decent bloke

My comment are about how TACCA. Could be perceived by potential members. The fact that the general public will not see the post here is irrelevant, the people who will see it are potential members.

I gave an example of a CLEAN founder not acting professional as an instance of how an organisation can suffer from the image it projects  this incident was actually pointed out to me by another antendee ,

I knew my post would be unpopular  but the posts involving TACCA  do not show it in the best light,

If I could offer  any advice it would be to create a simple statement and post it when ever someone post about or criticises TACCA . Something like this.....

TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by member, potential members or members of the public, we strive to be receptive  to all ideas or suggestions, We offer an open  invitation to visit our training day where any question can be openly discussed.

Allowing members to blab away and make pointless jokes does it no favours

[Ian Gourlay]

Mike H Said

Do you think if the founding members of the Ncca where involved in a discussion they would start postings pictures of them selves with Hitler  mustaches

Ian Says
Although obviouly I agree with you The NCCA was founded in diffrent times . I do not think there was the internet , or mobile phones. Business was very formal.
I think it was a mirricle  and would involved a Network of Telephone Calls to get it started.

Would be facinating.
Its a bit of a shame NCCA Directors do not come on here but unfortuanley they would loose their dignity if they joined in the banter which makes this such a great place.
Although I have seen President of NCCA congratulate Derek on Facebook

[Simon Gerrard]

My comment are about how TACCA. Could be perceived by potential members. The fact that the general public will not see the post here is irrelevant, the people who will see it are potential members.


So Derek should discipline his members for not showing TACCA off in its best light because they possess a sense of humour?
Pants down boys, it's six of the best time
Mike, your comments make little sense to me, its as though you think potential members of TACCA will judge it and be put off it by the sense of humour or otherwise of its members, which has nothing to do with TACCA, the entity. I think people will judge it by what TACCA can do for them, as do potential members of the NCCA.

Simon

[The TACCA Scrutineer]

The test will come when member's are forced (obliged) to pay a subscription (or whatever), how many out of the current 240 member's will stay, how many will pay but will demand changes  

My main question still remains and the silence is deafening,

Why is the founder of TACCA reluctant to form a proper constituted democratic committee now?

Is there a hidden motif  

Is he afraid of 'losing control' of his 'baby'

Does he think he s going to get 'rich' from TACCA

[Craigp]

At some point TACCA will need a committee to be credible.

This was Andrews main point which others mentioned they agree with, why not address those concerns instead of surrounding on him like a pack of hyaenas?

[wynne jones]

At some point TACCA will need a committee to be credible.

This was Andrews main point which others mentioned they agree with, why not address those concerns instead of surrounding on him like a pack of hyaenas?

The guy is acting like an idiot. He made his point and wont stop banging on about it like some little child. Thats why.

[derek west]

TACCA Welcomes any feedback given by members, potential members (who have been identified) or members of the public (again who show a right to reply other than on this forum), we strive to be receptive  to all ideas or suggestions, (and have been doing by other means, ie email, phone and social media) We offer an open  invitation (via tickets of course) to visit our open training day where any questions can be openly discussed.
(cheers for that mike)

Can i also add that getting drunk at the training day is an option and not a requirement.

forced to pay membership   Andrew or whatever you name is, you crack me up. forced