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Craigp

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #60 on: February 17, 2013, 07:29:16 pm »
Chris I think that sounds like one of Len gribble's posts  ;D

Shaun

It does actually, the only difference is it makes sense. ;D Lens post I can never work out ;D

The TACCA Scrutineer

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #61 on: February 17, 2013, 07:29:32 pm »
What is an unincorporated association?
An unincorporated association is an organisation that arises when two or more people come together for a particular purpose but decide not to use a formal structure like a company.
  
Most clubs, societies, associations, groups, and some syndicates are unincorporated, as are most voluntary organisations.
  
The advantage that unincorporated associations have that makes them a popular choice for a club or society is that they enjoy greater freedom of operation than a company or a partnership. For example, there is no requirement to submit annual returns.
  
Is an unincorporated association recognised at law?
Unlike an incorporated association (for example, a limited company) an unincorporated association is not a “person” in law. So it has no legal rights and is not separate from its members. It follows that individual members are legally responsible for the acts and omissions of the entire association.    
However, although not separate from its individual members, an association can register a name with the Registrar of Business Names and then hold a bank account in its own name. It can also register to be a charity if it has been formed to benefit the public.
  
Unincorporated associations may also have trading or business objectives or carry on commercial activities.
  
How to form an unincorporated association
Although we use the word “form” you do not actually form an unincorporated association. What you do is put together a set of agreed rules for the management and operation of the joint activity. That could be written on the back of an envelope, but using a comprehensive document to do so is better as it covers many things and protects those who make decisions from action by those who do not.
  
Why you should write the rules of the association into a formal constitution
The most obvious reasons for having a written constitution is that it provides a record of what was agreed. New members joining should understand far better what is expected of them, and disagreements as to how the association should be managed should be minimised.
  
The second reason stems from the fact that all members are collectively responsible for the actions of the association. Writing the rules down reminds all members what they may or may not do and therefore helps reduce the possibility that an individual acts in such a way that jeopardises the interests of another member.
  
By providing clear guidelines as to how the club, society or association will work, a constitution safeguards the interests of members against each other and ensures the on-going success of the organisation.
  
What to put in the constitution: Management
For most clubs, it is impractical for every member to have a vote on every decision. Therefore, a management committee is usually elected to run the organisation on behalf of the members.
  
The authority of the voluntary management committee flows from the constitution or rules because every member has agreed to those rules when he signs up as a member. That leaves the office holders as agents for all the members.
  
It is important when setting up an unincorporated association to consider how office-bearers will be appointed, what duties, powers and responsibilities the management committee will have, and under what circumstances the appointment ends. You should write these into the constitution.
  
What to put in the constitution: Membership
Likewise, you should also consider at the start the criteria or eligibility for becoming a member, how a person becomes a member and importantly, how membership ends. You may want to give committee members the right to end the membership of individuals who behave in ways inconsistent with the rules or values of your association.
 
What to put in the constitution: How to change the rules

Over time the members may wish to amend the organisation's purposes or the arrangements for the conducting of its affairs. Unless there are any express rules governing the changing of purposes or rules it is presumed that changes can only be made with the consent of all the members of the association. That often presents a problem if not all members can come together to vote, or if the decision is not unanimous.
  
Therefore, if it is important that decisions can be made quickly or regularly, it may be sensible to set out alternative arrangements for decision making (such as giving a committee powers to make certain decisions or letting a majority vote decide).
  
It may also be a good idea to set out when all members should meet regularly, for example, setting out that there will be an Annual General Meeting (AGM) or an Extraordinary General Meeting (EGM) of the members of the association. Decisions that do require the vote of all members can be made at these.
  
Registration of your association
Unincorporated associations do not need to register with any government organisations because they are not bound by regulations. For example, they do not need to be registered at either Companies House or the Financial Services Authority.
  
If your unincorporated association has charitable aims, you can apply to the Charity Commission for charitable status. If you are given charitable status, you will have to comply with the Commission’s regulations.
  
Limitations of unincorporated associations
Because it has no legal identity of its own and in legal terms is only a collection of individuals, an unincorporated association cannot:

    


 start a legal action


 borrow money



 enter into contracts in its own name



 hold property
    
 
If you need your association to hold property (for example, a club minibus) you may be able to set up a trust to legally hold ownership of the property and assets for the members who are to benefit.
  
Personal risk and alternatives
Because unincorporated associations have no separate legal identity, members have to sign loan documents and contracts as individuals and carry the risk personally. This way of working is unlikely to offer a long-term solution if you intend to expand the enterprise.

    


 taking on employees


 raising finance or applying for grants



 issuing shares



 entering into large contracts



 taking on a lease or buy freehold property
 

 However, there is nothing to stop you from starting an unincorporated association first and incorporating later on. Acting this way would usually incur less cost and less administration.
  

Richard Basey-Fisher

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #62 on: February 17, 2013, 07:47:37 pm »
Gees Andrew you know how to spend your Sundays   ;D

Shaun_Ashmore

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2013, 07:50:56 pm »
I'd recommend that you don't join it's best for everyone involved.

Shaun

The TACCA Scrutineer

  • Posts: 114
Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2013, 07:53:11 pm »
I'd recommend that you don't join it's best for everyone involved.

Shaun

Until it complies with the Law rest assured I won't be  :-X


james roffey

Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2013, 08:07:38 pm »
Andrew i think you need to get out more, i have just come on after spending a lovely day with the family. Got home and read all this rubbish where everyone seems happy to be part of this FREE organisation where like minded people help each other, please confirm or not were you a traffic warden in a previous job, all you seem to do is moan.
You are not obliged to join TACCA what other people choose to do is exactly that their choice, and comparing the situation to NAZI Germany is childish, i mean Derek doesn't even have a moustache.

Dennis

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2013, 08:08:40 pm »

Until it complies with the Law rest assured I won't be  :-X

Surely from your own post, it does?

Unincorporated associations do not need to register with any government organisations because they are not bound by regulations.

wynne jones

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2013, 08:20:32 pm »
You are wasted here Andrew there's a well paid job in Brussels for you somewhere.  ;D
It's not expensive, you just can't afford it.

Richard Basey-Fisher

  • Posts: 260
Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #69 on: February 17, 2013, 08:29:19 pm »
Andrew have you always been a carpet cleaner or did you once upon a time spent your days as a traffic warden.  or sorry a traffic enforcement officer

Simon Gerrard

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2013, 08:33:52 pm »
No, he was the even bigger numpty who dreams up the jobs worth rules that the traffic enforcement operatives operate to. ;D

james roffey

Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2013, 08:37:46 pm »
Richard i beat you to that observation  ;D

The guys a wind up merchant almost everything he posts is either negative, or self righteous the sort of guy who sits in his chair at home moaning about something but without the balls to change it, an armchair critic.

derek west

Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2013, 08:40:16 pm »

sorry, been maccies, have i missed anything.


jim mca

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #73 on: February 17, 2013, 08:44:25 pm »
Andrew
I really like your logo does it belong to you or the American company using it

Richard Basey-Fisher

  • Posts: 260
Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #74 on: February 17, 2013, 08:45:54 pm »
Need a wig

Simon Gerrard

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #75 on: February 17, 2013, 08:46:09 pm »
No ,Derek, it's been really quiet here






Oh, the village idiot came through muttering  something absurd about you taking us all for a ride with your undemocratic, unelected Stalinist regime known as TACCA,  but we  f--ed him off ;D

bennymon

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #76 on: February 17, 2013, 08:47:41 pm »
Oh no it's run by Charlie Chaplin

james roffey

Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #77 on: February 17, 2013, 08:48:12 pm »

sorry, been maccies, have i missed anything.




GOT IM HIMMEL, MEIN FUHRER  ;D
 
TACCA version of mein kampf TO FOLLOW

Dennis

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Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #78 on: February 17, 2013, 08:55:20 pm »
Fixed that for you Derek  ;D  ;)


james roffey

Re: T.A.C.C.A. your thoughts
« Reply #79 on: February 17, 2013, 08:56:23 pm »
Wish i were coming to the TACCA event now i have my little brown shorts and love a torch light parade.