[Moderator David@stives]

I am available for consultancy £5k per day

[SunShineCleaning]

I am available for consultancy £5k per day

Don't sell yourself cheap David, the NKOTB* are miles away!








*New Kids On The  Block

[Deangsi]

I know a good coach he's called YouTube  along with common sence. IV learnt allsorts on there

[richywilts]

some people set out with very little guidance other go on courses, some people learn in different ways than others

what ian is doing is giving people a great window cleaners knowledge of the industry to save them making mistakes all of us have made in the past to give people that bit of confidence before venturing out, do i think its worth 195 quid not really i think if he marketed it at say £99 he would get a lot more takers taking a punt on the course

or 200 for two days

its all good and well saying u offer your knowledge for free but why not make a business out of it, people will pay for knowledge and experience and 99quid would be worth anyones money starting out

people are quite willing to pay 150 plus vat for the bwca courses which are desinged to sell ionics products and not a great deal covered in courses unless you go on all four, and they have been planned out by someone who hasnt even been a wfp window cleaner on domestics etc

[A-W-C]

Oh please is this topic for real ? it don`t take an expert to become a window cleaner just a bit of common sense,no one taught me
all this nvq and having certificates etc is pathetic you don`t need anything to be a hairdresser or own a cafe and they are jobs can have serious affects if things go wrong so teaching someone to be a window cleaner is a joke  

[Moderator David@stives]

Richy

If someone said they could help you to increase your turnover by £50k, How much would that be worth to you ?

[richywilts]

Richy

If someone said they could help you to increase your turnover by £50k, How much would that be worth to you ?

if it was commercial guidance and i had money available possiby £250-500 a day for consultants fee depending on how long was required

[richywilts]

150-200 a day if it was classroom based with other students

the price i quoted in previous post was one to one business consultancy fee

[SunShineCleaning]

Richy

To answer your question, I have thought about doing consultancy work and charging. Maybe I'm just too soft and lack the entrepreneurs brain, I don't know.

Seeing as you mention it, I'm not sure Ian has that much experience seeing as he started 2 years ago.

I'm sure he is a great guy and I wish him the best but I can't help feel he is overselling himself with the coaching.

[richywilts]

Richy

To answer your question, I have thought about doing consultancy work and charging. Maybe I'm just too soft and lack the entrepreneurs brain, I don't know.

Seeing as you mention it, I'm not sure Ian has that much experience seeing as he started 2 years ago.

I'm sure he is a great guy and I wish him the best but I can't help feel he is overselling himself with the coaching.

to be fair i was a little surprised myself but he has a training type background a lot of it is how you can communicate the advice and knowledge there not huge amounts of knowledge to pass on and personally do not think it will fill people with confidence knowing ian has only cleaned since 2010 but if he can covers a fair number of areas i think he will get a decent amount of interest possibly due to lack of courses up north

[Knocker]

I think you would have to look at paying £150 per hour as a minimum, if you wanted someone who really knew what they was talking about

[SunShineCleaning]

Richy

To answer your question, I have thought about doing consultancy work and charging. Maybe I'm just too soft and lack the entrepreneurs brain, I don't know.

Seeing as you mention it, I'm not sure Ian has that much experience seeing as he started 2 years ago.

I'm sure he is a great guy and I wish him the best but I can't help feel he is overselling himself with the coaching.

to be fair i was a little surprised myself but he has a training type background a lot of it is how you can communicate the advice and knowledge there not huge amounts of knowledge to pass on and personally do not think it will fill people with confidence knowing ian has only cleaned since 2010 but if he can covers a fair number of areas i think he will get a decent amount of interest possibly due to lack of courses up north

Maybe he needs to employ me. I can be there in a couple of hours.

[trevor perry]

Those who can, do, and those that cant teach. With over 30 yrs of experience i can honestly say the amount of practical that could be taught on a course would be very limited as all conditions  could not be replicated in a classroom environment, without the practical experience only basics could be taught this would probably be sufficient for someone to have a bit more confidence when they start but thats about it.
 

[edward1]

have helped sereral people n the past and nerver had pay back ,wont bother again.

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

Harsh Edward

[SunShineCleaning]

have helped sereral people n the past and nerver had pay back ,wont bother again.

I tend to try and help people based on the outdated theory that they need help and I can give it.

Payback is not a consideration for me but I am something of a dinosaur.

[Andrew Willis]

I know that this subject will take a beating but have none of the more experienced members on here thought about selling their knowledge on a mentor/coach basis where a newbie could hire you for a day to show them the ropes on how to operate efficiently or to help an establish company gain school and larger commerical contracts ect

Paul

I would love to spend some quality time on this post.

May be restricted, reason, well basically Clean It Up prevents this.

I am happy to post this

Question, how can someone set up a window cleaning college with two years experience?
http://www.windowcleaningcollege.co.uk  
I would initially seek some legal advice.

Coach
I have found Clean It Up to be a great source of information, and then again a melting pot of incorrect advice,
I would be very worried for some new window cleaners to get coaching from some of the forum members.

Training
When selecting a course
Firstly, What are you trying to get out of the course?
Who’s delivering the course?
What references can you obtain to support their ability?
Are they going to deliver a course within a sound legal framework?  

Location
Syllabus
Trainer qualification
Support if something goes wrong
Insured

 At present I would strongly recommend

BWCA
FWC
IMPACT43

All of these offer something different

IMPACT43
There is a lot of miss conception on the forum about the City and Guilds QCF level 1 and 2 in window cleaning
Firstly it’s not a training course
City and Guilds has been established for many years and provides a vehicle for those working in a particular trade to obtain certification to show they can work to set standards in their industry, most people attending come with years of experience, for them its about providing evidence.
For others and new window cleaners its then about us trying to support their introduction to the window cleaning industry.

On this note I agree with Trevor Perry
“i can honestly say the amount of practical that could be taught on a course would be very limited as all conditions could not be replicated in a classroom environment, without the practical experience only basics could be taught this would probably be sufficient for someone to have a bit more confidence when they start but that’s about it. “
 
 You see training courses are not meant to provide you with collective practical experience; this is something a window cleaner obtains over a period of time. Training courses should provide you with support that you are moving in the right direction, cleaning to high standards and to a safe method

Lets be honest if some of the forum users have not been on these types of courses how can you really be sure of your competency.

Impact43 works really hard to provide competent trainers and bring in specialist people to enhance the course with years of experience in their own areas.

With training its also not about a one time attendance, its about on going development.

I often recommend those attending the City and Guilds after achieving their certification to still attend the BWCA course by Craig Mawlam.
Craig’s excellent and has years of experience, he delivers far more information on setting up and production of water and systems than we do.

I also recommend window cleaners attend the FWC water fed pole course as people like Bryan have great experience and input in domestic development. You see it’s about a plan of investment in yourself and to take something away from each day. Attending the right courses for you and your own needs.

To finish on the original subject Coaching

If you are a local window cleaner who helps out a new starter and puts in some time, then well done. It’s what makes this industry great, its what the industry needs, but don’t charge for it and also make sure your insured.

Lastly have the confidence yourself to show those you are mentoring or coaching you have the right experience and a good way will be that you have completed all available training yourself and can provide them with credible evidence which often comes in the form of a certificate.  

Why not visit the Cleaning Show in Birmingham this year   http://www.cleaningshow.co.uk

The three training providers are all committed and are attending

IMPACT43 on South Thames College stand BH6
FWC on stand K4
And BWCA on stand A40

I will be on the South Thames stand and will be happy to advise about any types of training whether it’s our courses or other courses available in the industry

www.training43.com

[Ian101]

I know that this subject will take a beating but have none of the more experienced members on here thought about selling their knowledge on a mentor/coach basis where a newbie could hire you for a day to show them the ropes on how to operate efficiently or to help an establish company gain school and larger commerical contracts ect

Paul

I would love to spend some quality time on this post.

May be restricted, reason, well basically Clean It Up prevents this.

I am happy to post this

Question, how can someone set up a window cleaning college with two years experience?
http://www.windowcleaningcollege.co.uk  
I would initially seek some legal advice.


Why not visit the Cleaning Show in Birmingham this year   http://www.cleaningshow.co.uk

The three training providers are all committed and are attending

IMPACT43 on South Thames College stand BH6
FWC on stand K4
And BWCA on stand A40

I will be on the South Thames stand and will be happy to advise about any types of training whether it’s our courses or other courses available in the industry

www.training43.com

Hi Andrew - I have not replied to any other posts before now as they were not a direct question or comment until your recent post.


Question, how can someone set up a window cleaning college with two years experience?
http://www.windowcleaningcollege.co.uk  


Maybe I should wait until I have 2.5 years experiance or maybe 3 years or even 25 years experiance ?? ??   but for the record I have been running my own window cleaning business for over 3 years.




I would initially seek some legal advice.  

maybe you can help me here by pointing me in the right direction of what law you think I may need to investigate further  after all the less I can spend on legal stuff the lower the prices I can do my courses for  




which makes a nice link to my next point ......... I prefer to keep prices as low as possible so I wont be having a stand at the cleaning Show. ........... in fact having spoken to a few people from this and other forums I have come over all "put something back into the communtiy" plus as its not my main source of income (window cleaning is and always will be) I dont need to make much of a profit so I will be dropping the previous advertised price of £195. After all the more people whose money I can save the better    

More info regarding prices to follow next week  

[Andrew Willis]

I know that this subject will take a beating but have none of the more experienced members on here thought about selling their knowledge on a mentor/coach basis where a newbie could hire you for a day to show them the ropes on how to operate efficiently or to help an establish company gain school and larger commerical contracts ect

Paul

I would love to spend some quality time on this post.

May be restricted, reason, well basically Clean It Up prevents this.

I am happy to post this

Question, how can someone set up a window cleaning college with two years experience?
http://www.windowcleaningcollege.co.uk  
I would initially seek some legal advice.


Why not visit the Cleaning Show in Birmingham this year   http://www.cleaningshow.co.uk

The three training providers are all committed and are attending

IMPACT43 on South Thames College stand BH6
FWC on stand K4
And BWCA on stand A40

I will be on the South Thames stand and will be happy to advise about any types of training whether it’s our courses or other courses available in the industry

www.training43.com

Hi Andrew - I have not replied to any other posts before now as they were not a direct question or comment until your recent post.


Question, how can someone set up a window cleaning college with two years experience?
http://www.windowcleaningcollege.co.uk  


Maybe I should wait until I have 2.5 years experiance or maybe 3 years or even 25 years experiance ?? ??   but for the record I have been running my own window cleaning business for over 3 years.


I would initially seek some legal advice.  

maybe you can help me here by pointing me in the right direction of what law you think I may need to investigate further  after all the less I can spend on legal stuff the lower the prices I can do my courses for  

which makes a nice link to my next point ......... I prefer to keep prices as low as possible so I wont be having a stand at the cleaning Show. ........... in fact having spoken to a few people from this and other forums I have come over all "put something back into the communtiy" plus as its not my main source of income (window cleaning is and always will be) I dont need to make much of a profit so I will be dropping the previous advertised price of £195. After all the more people whose money I can save the better    

More info regarding prices to follow next week  

Personally to be honest yes I feel you should wait longer before offering your services as a coach or trainer.

My advise is seek some legal advise.
Sit down with a good solicitor who specializes in corporate law,
Advise what you are doing, what would your legal liabilities be in the event someone you have coached or trained is injured and they decide to take legal action against you and or a third party is injured and you are drawn into legal litigation. 
Your insurers will want proof of competency; my thoughts would be to sit down with them also.
This will focus on your qualification, knowledge and experience of the subject

Lastly, I am really pleased that our workshops within the City and Guilds offer window cleaners fantastic benefits at present as they are funded.

The FWC currently are selling their IOSH course at rate £185, discounted for members probably comes out just over £125,
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/trainingcourses.php
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/trainingcoursesfull.php?id=126

Impact43 have worked very hard to provide our Workshop 1 Hazard and risk assessment which I like to feel is unrivalled and at present is funded.
http://training43.com/award-winning-partnership/   

Funding from July will change dramatically and may even not be available!
So for that reason only I would encourage window cleaners on the forum to take advantage of the four workshops we are running.
http://training43.com/a-fresh-approach-to-window-cleaning-training/

[C o z y]

I've been in this game a little while too. I've seen people with little or no education build huge businesses from scratch. I've found that people who want to build empires go ahead and build them. Some want to just get by and earn a decent amount, and some want free time and a good income. What I don't get is, are these courses for guys that want an empire of commercial and domestics or just commercial or what?

All the whistles and bells are good for commercial and employing guys to work for you, but who needs these courses?


IMO, a person starting up a bog standard 250 domestic custy set up just needs a few good tips, and a page like this to get started. http://windowcleaningcoach.com/